Do you believe that Batman is already crazy?

Yes or no? And why do you think so?

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Well, obviously. The level of dedication he has to his work can only come from some level of mental insanity, in Wayne's case, caused by childhood trauma. He's hardly alone Peter Parker, Matt Murdock, Barry Allen... dead guardian trauma's an excellent motivator, used so often at this point it's actually rather stale.

Actually... hmm. Has there actually ever been a comic book where Bruce was forced to sit down and work through his childhood trauma with a professional shrink? Where it wasn't just an ancillary talking point by the cast or something? I know one of the Batman movies touched on that, and I know that's part of Hugo Strange's character as a villain, but I don't know I've ever seen a Batman comic where it's just played straight.

yes
Batman has bats in the belfry

Absolutely. One of the biggest bits in The Killing Joke is that Joker will never be able to break Batman because he's already broken, just a different kind of broken. Hell, Gordon could be considered crazy as well, given how his first instinct upon being freed is to demand Batman prove "their way works".

That's sort of his whole thing.
He's a weirdo with the only thing separating him from the other weirdo's is he fights with an honor code.

Well, in Batman: Bad Blood Crazy Hatter gave Batman a forced therapy.

Yes. He stubbornly clings to an old childhood trauma and everyday he risks his life fighting crime dressed as a giant rodent. Just because he's good at it doesn't mean that makes it less crazy.

Yes, crazy.
Why?
Because a smart billionaire would use his money to tackle causes, not effects.
And yet he doesn't, he apparently thinks fist-in-face will solve crime.
Yet supposedly he has 3 IQ digita to rub together... So such oversight must be ascribed to a lack of mental clarity, over an inability to think it through. Others words, bats gots to be cray-cray to think punching makes world solved. Full craycray.

Not to the degree that people like to meme, but yeah Bruce does have an unhealthy obsession with crime fighting.

Can't name any examples at the moment but there's plenty of times where Bruce uses his wealth for just that kind of thing. Tackling issues like wealth disparity or gentrification isn't gonna make the Joker or Riddler or Bane go away.

I swear it's like people keep saying 'OMG Batman is the crazy one!!!' like he's not fighting serial killers and mob lords with the wealth of small nations at their disposal.

>Yet supposedly he has 3 IQ digita to rub together... So such oversight must be ascribed to a lack of mental clarity, over an inability to think it through. Others words, bats gots to be cray-cray to think punching makes world solved. Full craycray.

You have to remember that batman is partly a product of his time. In the first issue of batman, what would someone have done? Done fund raisers? Radio ads?

>that time lex luthor stopped fucking around with the remote toilet clogger controller in superman's bathrpom and fixed the world with his money and iq
Your argument is invalid

>Because a smart billionaire would use his money to tackle causes, not effects.
>And yet he doesn't
How to Spot a Casual.

I don't know if he is crazy because he seems to live his life and doesn't hurt others.

But he does suffer internally from childhood trauma.

it does beg a question. Does bruce push on because he wants to help gotham or becuase he is obsessed because of trauma? A lot of stories imply it is just trauma. That he keeps love interests and family at arms length because he is both worried that a happy relationship would end the suffering that drives him, or if he lost them it would push him over the edge and he would start to kill, making him no better than the people that killed his parents.

The fuck you talking about?

>he's still a billionaire
>thus it is evident there's insufficient dedication to stopping problem before it's a problem.
QED

>>he's still a billionaire
>>thus it is evident there's insufficient dedication to stopping problem before it's a problem.
>QED

Thats really hard to say. We'll never know how much bad shit wayne corp stops. or how much good or bad lex corp does. Or stark industries.

They don't really talk about it unless it is plot relevant..

Wayne corp must do some good, otherwise there would be more stories about Ivy attacking wayne own companies and buildings. But she always seems to attack other companies.

And wayne corp seems to partner with whatever villian when they want to go clean and do something good. Like he's funded mr freeze when he does real research. He's worked with lex for space robots. He funded harley's early research in helping super villians. helped dent run for office.

But we only find out these things when it is plot relevant.

Batman isn't insane. To be clinically diagnosed as insane, you have to exhibit the right symptoms
>Cannot tell the difference between right and wrong.
>Incapable of making decisions
>A danger to themselves and others
>Grandiose delusions and unable to differentiate reality from fantasy
So no, Batman isn't insane. He does however have a few mental conditions and issues to work out

See this is the problem; most people, be they writer or fan, don't understand mental illness at all. That's how we get trash like Tom King's work

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>>A danger to themselves and others
Check.

Yes but however Bruce is completely capable of making logical decisions, and understands what right and wrong are. His actions are driven by a mix of depression and the need to save others due to childhood trauma. Compulsive and self-destructive, but not insane

Still crazy shit and enough for involuntary hospitalization..

Not really, no.

the man dresses up in a gimp suit and spends his evenings punching muggers and clowns. i mean, what else do you want?

Logic would dictate he spend 20 million per person per annum and hire 15 people to do a 'bats' job.
Greater coverage, greater crime suppression.
But, he's not acting rationally. He's acting like a madman.
Sure, we still love him - but he's still a nutbag.

>he crazy because he dresses up as a bat and and beats people up
how is this different than any other fucking superhero

>Cannot tell the difference between right and wrong

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Still not clinically insane. He dresses like a bat to frighten criminals, and there's a logical reasoning behind it. He doesn't have delusions of being a real bat monster.
user he's not insane. Troubled, sure, but not insane. Also your unironically using the casual criticism of "dude just use money to solve the problem"

That's part of the classification of being insane you dumbass

Yet somehow the guy who dresses as a boottleg Robin Hood and as a fucking Blue Bug are completely fine?

>Just donate to charity
While you clearly can't be all right in the head to do what Bruce does, more and more controversies going on has showed that charities aren't nearly as charitable as they look and many end up being corrupt scams. Just look at Haiti.

So with how corrupt Gotham is meant to be, I can honestly buy Bruce not doing much charity work because he ended up being burned by them too much and genuinely believes punching crazy and homeless people really does have more of an effect.

>Logic would dictate he spend 20 million per person per annum and hire 15 people to do a 'bats' job.
He's already GOT the Robins, Batgirls, Batwoman, and the Outsiders. And doesn't have to pay any of them.
Who's not acting rational now?

I dunno, I feel like the World Greatest Detective should be able to suss out when a given charity isn't quite on the up and up. Plus, he's generally rich enough to hold his own charities and makes sure the money gets to where it's actually needed. Though, the idea of him looking into that sort of thing would make for an interesting conflict.

>4-7 people when he could have 40 field agents
Coverage is an immutable, user.
He's prepared to risk his life on the front line, money is never not secondary to life.
He should be using his money better. But he isn't..? Madness, no?