Is it just me or did his heel turn seem totally random? I'm not missing something, am I?

Is it just me or did his heel turn seem totally random? I'm not missing something, am I?

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He got friendzoned by Turbo who was fucking Darkhawk instead
So obviously he went nuts, stole the Darkhawk Amulet and attacked them both

And then he decided to become the Hobgoblin for lulz

Hobcobmobslobgoblin

Yeah and that seems pretty random to me. Prior to that from what I know, he was just some dumbass who was a heroic Green Goblin and never showed any kind of villain or unstable traits, then boom, he's a sociopathic villain who loves to murder people.

That was bullshit. The M2/Spider-Girl Phil is the real future of Phil.

He was a dumb edgy teen that tried the hero gig by using the powers of a villain. Making him a villain ruins the whole idea.

I guess they just had to make a cuck story

They tried to use "goblin serum makes you loony" as a way to justify it.

Was Loners the last story that Akira Yoshida wrote?

They just needed someone and he was there. Bringing him back (a useless character no one remembered with a tie to an existing, well known character) was easier than creating someone completely new.

I really don't understand that mentality. That almost seems like more work.

Think about how the different characters would be introduced. A new character would have to be seen a few times so the audience knows who it is, before becoming the Hobgoblin. Otherwise there's no meaning whatsoever. There'd also have to be time to explain what the character's purpose is, why they are at [blank] location at [blank] time, etc.

Phil, on the other hand, can just reappear and become the Hobgoblin on the same page. Readers that don't know the character will just assume he was in a story they didn't read, part of the vast canon they don't know. He's Ben's nephew, so that explains him ever being at the Bugle or near anybody that works at the Bugle, and so on. No effort has to be made to introduce him.

And because he was a short-lived character from the distant past, they could do whatever they wanted with him.

He actually found another goblin stash house. This time it was hobgoblin, then Phil killed him and took his place.
Then we found out that Ben Kingsley brainwashed people to be hobgoblin.

Essentially Phil wanted to a hero and failed, so hobgoblin is him just saying fuck it and being bad

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It still didn't make any sense, I honestly think it was the first (of to many) jabs at Defalcos Spider-girl continuity since he was a major supporting character in that time line

I actually did like him as a mirror version of Peter who worked at the daily planet but instead of doing good to suit up he committed crimes.

I wasn't a fan Goblin king, who seem like he just took over when Norman went underground.

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Yeah but he becomes evil before that, in the story this user says This as far as I know is his first noteworthy appearance since his hero days, and he basically seems normal until he randomly is evil because "HEHEH ITS TROO ALL GOBLINS ARE INSANE HUH" but it makes no sense whatsoever given the context, especially when you consider he wasn't insane, or even had powers from the goblin serum, in fact it's a key plot point up to then in that story and his old ones that he had no goblin powers genetically and only got them from the suit itself, so it's basically just that he went insane for no reason at all

Wasn't Slott writing it at the time.

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Yeah slotts the reason that phil broke bad and he's the one who killed maydays father. I get it but it just seemed cheap

Is this the only heel turn that has actually stuck? All other heroes that have gone bad were either possessed, eventually repented (usually they never did things that were that bad), or retcons revealed that it wasn't really them.

>he's the one who killed maydays father
He got better

So he is even more pathetic than we thought?

>He got better
Getting involved with The Other is getting worse, not better.

Still better than getting killed by Slott

He's so low leveled it didn't matter.
In a room full of Heroes he'd be pick last

Hell in a room full of Goblins he'd be picked last

I think it could work because it should regrow his leg but if I was a betting man they're probably going to make him a villian in the next spiderverse bullshit

>I get it but it just seemed cheap
That's how I feel about Slott's entire run of Spider-Man

It's really not

He's currently dead, so it's kind of hard for him to get redeemed at this point since he's too unimportant for anyone to go to the effort of bringing him back.

I honestly have NO memory of his death, as far as I remember him and that blonde haired black woman were still alive and kicking

Same, I'm trying to think I could've sworn that slott did one more thing that was a back hand to Defalco but I can't think of it off the top of my head. He shat on phil killed mays dad and created "annie-may"

This shit comes completely out of nowhere

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Nighteater, but he's a D-Lister and I doubt he will ever be brought up again since that arc involved Shocker and Dr. Druid working together to perform magical human sacrifice and that's no brand for neither of them (for fuck's sake, Dr. Druid's a god damn Avenger even if he is an asshole).

I'm glad Hollow fucked off from him completely without explanation.

when the fuck did he take the goblin formula?

>I'm trying to think I could've sworn that slott did one more thing that was a back hand to Defalco
Evil little shit Normie?