Zutara thread

I never really understood zutara, like did people really think it had a chance of becoming canon?

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I thought it was an okay movie.

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god that movie was my childhood. still don't understand the ship

It's a collective delusion created by years of people finding Zuko attractive, self-inserting on Katara and selectively ignoring all canonical evidence.
There are people who still count Zuko and Katara as each other's love interests, when neither were ever in each other's running.
The show acknowledging the crack ship somehow strengthened their intensity while making them spiral into thinking they were being oppressed.
They put on their shipping goggles and never took them off.

Why don’t girls self insert as Jin or even Azula?

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This was a great idea wasted on a shitty script.

jin is in 1 episode and azula is too specific to self insert as

Fan fiction is powerful stuff.

It is canon though

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Dude, that's the Blue Spirit. Different guy.

Katana and Zuko don’t interact a whole bunch but Zutara has had all this steam, I suppose it’s true someone would like to self insert as a more developed character than a one of character

They had actual chemistry unlike Katara and Aang, the former of whom treated the latter like an annoying little brother in 9 out of every 10 episodes.

What chemistry? One conversation in a cave? A revenge trip? Her threatening to kill him?
Katara never treated Aang as annoying and they were quite clearly the most important people in each other's lives by the end of the series.

they had no chemistry. they have absolutely nothing in common except mom angst.

They were passionate with each other. Strong emotions and conflict = chemistry.

>abuse is passion
then ozai and zuko had chemistry too retard

Hatred does not lead to bone jumping, dude. I have a passionate hatred of cheese, but that doesn't mean I take off my pants every time a Kraft commercial comes on TV.
Besides, by that logic, Katara and Aang still have stronger chemistry by virtue of the intensity of their emotions.

lol good point, aangs passion FOR HER leads him to almost murder hundreds of people. how is "passion" an argument for zutara and not kataang

There's no passion between Katara and Aang. She's the straight man big sister type and Aang is the precocious and naive little brother with a propensity for temper tantrums.

you played on your phone while you watched the show

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But they have strong emotions for each other. Aang's love for her is the form his love for his entire race took. He risked never being able to access the Avatar State just to avoid the idea of having to let her go.
Katara considered abandoning her own people after a day of knowing the guy. She threatens to kill a guy at the soonest sign of him threatening him. They hug all the time.
By your logic, this is passion. These are strong emotions. This is chemistry.
Zuko and Katara spend most of the series looking past each other. Zuko is the guy that keeps chasing them and Katara is that girl that's always with the Avatar. They occupied very little real estate in each other's minds until the last season.

>Hatred does not lead to bone jumping, dude.
Maybe not for you loser.

i just want some fanart of this, maybe i'll try the draw thread

>He risked never being able to access the Avatar State just to avoid the idea of having to let her go.
That's not sacrifice, that him once again running away from responsibility.

A real loser for enjoying good vibes and pleasant hand-holding, huh?

zuko only likes bitchy girls not goody two shoes stick in the mud like katara. mai's cuntiness is the only thing he's ever been attracted to.

That's off-topic. It has nothing to do with any of this. The point is that he took actions powered by strong emotions FOR HER.
The argument is that Aang and Katara have no chemistry and that Chemistry= strong emotions and conflict.
This example shows that Aang rushed into a life-threatening situation to save Katara when his unwillingness to be able to detach from her would prevent him from accessing his full power.
Strong emotions and conflict.

Kataang had no vibes, that's what happens when your protag looks like a baby and the supposed love interest is the team mom.

Ty Lee would be a pretty good stand in for Katara, nice girl, athletic, family sob story. but Zuko never looked at Ty Lee

I never really got behind it, but I can see why it had fans. Classic "opposites attract" and "good girl fixes bad boy" tropes. But beyond that, Zuko redeeming himself and becoming a better person who empathized with Katara and related in the fact that they both lost their mothers to the Fire Nation actually could play off of their character development beyond fan-fic material.

Whereas the canon romance is one of the weaker aspects of a great show. Mai abruptly getting together with Zuko felt pretty bland outside of Mai's one genuinely cool moment of telling Azula to fuck off, and Aang's thing for Katara was cute but didn't have much depth beyond him having occasional episodes of being super awkward around her.

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That's the other thing that I never get about Zutara shippers.
You always infantilize Aang in order to justify your ship. Aang is barely younger than Katara. In terms of their society, the difference in age is negligible.
Katara babies everyone by virtue of having had to pick up the slack after the death of her mother. Why wouldn't she like a guy who reminds her to act her age?

I would have unironically preferred the idea of Zuko slowly building a relationship with Ty Lee as opposed to Mai. She was easily the most sympathetic of the Azula gang, and her upbeat personality could have brought Zuko out of his comfort zone beyond them just sitting on a beach and being angsty together.

Maybe with them remembering the happiness they all had as kids that Ty Lee actually tried to cling onto, while Zuko, Mai, and Azula all lost it along the way.

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>You always infantilize Aang in order to justify your ship
Really easy to do when Aang acts like a kid.

zuko's just not into a good girl
call it conditioning since childhood

Aang acts no more like a kid than the rest of the crew, honestly. He's still wise beyond his years and is able to make mature decisions.
Don't just ignore everything that flies directly in the face of your narrative.