Mr Miracle

I dunno. Does it need one?
>degrading
To what?

It's a literal shitting

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>I dunno. Does it need one?

Yes. Yes, a story needs a central message.

Having a central message doesn't make a story any better or worse. That aside, you could say the central message of MM is "war bad"

>war bad because
>Darkseid is.

War bad because of meaningless death
War bad because of inept generals
Read the comic

It's more the way that the characters were twisted to represent those stereotypes.
I mean, if anyone read the original New Gods by Jock Kirby, you'd know for a fact that Orion would never be a Julius Caesar wannabe, the man's the eternal watchmen in a pacifist utopia who struggles with his in-born desires to fight by attempting to do good, and Lightray is only foppish in the sense that he doesn't take anything seriously, he also wouldn't go around being a bootlicker, and the whole thing with Highfather, Jesus Christ, Highfather/Izaya was a man who lost his wife to war only to start loosing himself to war until he came to a realisation that there could be a better way, an era of peace, and he did, and even when that peace was broken by Scott escaping Apokolips, he still let his son remain free, realising that sending him back to Apokolips would simply be too cruel, deciding to take up his war staff once more to ensure his people's future can be peaceful once more.
The only saving grace for this comic is the fact that it's revealed that it's all just Scott's time spent in the anti-life equation, explaining the inconsistencies, and trying to show off Darkseid and his people as sympathetic, which is like trying to make turbo Nazi-sado-masochists who's world is a literal constant holocaust against their own people and saying "These are the good guys", I just hope that if Tom King ever picks it back up he remembers that Mister Miracle has broken out of the Anti-Life equation twice already and gets on with being an actual hero, hell, you can keep all the family stuff and trauma just have him deal with it or at least get help with it at the end okay?

Just like he made Bane into a back breaking gimmick prowrestler Mr.Miracle is nothing but a captive audience of anti life equation.

Yes you are.

>Orion
>GET OUT
>REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

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>Having a central message doesn't make a story any better or worse.

Yes. Yes, it does.

King can't heal things.

You wish to speak out in defense of this?

Based

Am I wrong to feel Scott being able to knock Orion on his ass is wrong per se?

You would think that, you still read comics on the infinite treadmill of keeping the IP alive.

In mediums people don't laugh at, if your story doesn't have a point then it isn't worth telling. It doesn't even have to be a big preachy point, there just has to be fucking SOMETHING at the core of this story it conveys to the reader. Otherwise all reading that story does is fill up time while you wait for death.

I mean Scott is a god and the Highfather's son, it stands to reason that he would have some enhanced strength. If Orion was just standing there like a retard I wouldn't find it too out of place.

But yeah, as they're conventionally portrayed Scott shouldn't be able to touch Orion.

>central message
No, but it needs a hook or call it a carrot or a motivation.

>I mean, if anyone read the original New Gods by Jock Kirby, you'd know for a fact that Orion would never be a Julius Caesar wannabe, the man's the eternal watchmen in a pacifist utopia who struggles with his in-born desires to fight by attempting to do good

Even outside of the context of that mini, based on comments from King, he has a pretty negative view of Orion. He considers him pampered and whiny since he grew up in "heaven" but complains about his nature and mission.

Reading some old Kirby stuff, I feel like even he was pretty inconsistent about how powerful the New Gods are supposed to be. Read Mister Miracle and they seem pretty low level. Not only Mister Miracle himself seems to be just peak human with many gimmick gadgets, the Darkseid forces he encounters all seem to be the same.

But then read some stuff like Superman in Super Town and the impression we're supposed to have is that the average new god warrior (not one the important ones like Orion) was as powerful as Superman, with Superman having trouble with a random guard of New Genesis and commenting on how everyone in that city seems just as super as he was and that he doesn't stand out there at all.

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Comic readers now hate everything good and like everything bad. They love MCU, Johns, Snyder, Tomasi, Ewing and hate TKJ, DKR.
They hate it because it didn't have splash page upon splash page of Scott in a megazord fighting Darkseid, where characters scream about hope and friendship.

>They love Johns
When? Some stuff is liked, some is hated. Doomsdayclock is so much hated, that contradicts you.

>veggie
It's VEGETABLES you blithering morons, VEGETABLES! Say the whole bloody word you moronic AmeriMutts REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

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>Core
at least spell your Youtube titles right