Why cant comics into action/fight scenes?

in western comics, or at least american comics, it's the custom to add more plot per chapter than other things, while mangas can focus on a single thing, perhaps due to cultural diferences in how stories are told.

so while a manga can have several chapters just dedicated to several stages in a single fight, a western comic can't just hang around in a fight scene, but have to add plot as well.

also, treating a fight as manifestation of an argument between two people or groups is really well done in manga (also in action movies in general, especially lately) while in comics it's just a means to an end.

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Because American comics (let's not pretend you are talking about anything but DC/Marvel comics) is on a monthly schedule unlike manga which has a weekly schedule so they don't have the space to waste on the details of one fight.

also this yeah. manga chapters are shorter too

im gonna guess that non-cape comics do get better fight scenes though

>while in comics it's just a means to an end.
maybe if you only read comics from the big two.

Good fight scenes take a lot of space, and stopping the plot for a bunch of pages to have a fight scene leads to a book where not a whole lot happens. Plus it's self-reinforcing. People don't buy comics for the big fights, so having half the book be a fight makes readers annoyed they didn't get what they came for, which means no big fight scenes, which means people aren't buying the books for fight scenes, and on and on we go.

>also, treating a fight as manifestation of an argument between two people or groups is really well done in manga
yup I love pages and pages of exposition of how gimmicky powers work

For one thing they're focused more on stories and fighting isn't the point.
Especially in a monthly magazine where historically they were selling themselves on amount of story per dollar. Multiple pages dedicated to fighting would be seen as a ripoff.

The 70's and 80's saw some experimentation with this, as the idea of comics being their own artistic field with aspirations greater than simple disposable entertainment emerged. Sword and sandal comics like Conan would often have visually impressive fight sequences, and Cerebus was revolutionary for its dynamic and beautifully rendered action. Frank Miller also made excellent action scenes.

Still, most comics didn't sell themselves on being heavy on action, they sold themselves on having lots of story per issue, with superhero comics focused on melodrama, and non-superhero comics being genres that didn't lend themselves well to action, like horror and comedy. Then with the 90's having BIG, splashy art was more important than coherent visual continuity, and the 00's was where artists who could render figures came to prominence over ones who were good at composition, which is where we are now.

I used to assume this was true but I've recently taken to reading some and it's really not the case in general. Dragon Ball, Yu Yu Hakusho and Hunter x Hunter are excellent, but most other popular ones like One Piece, Naruto and My Hero Academia are more focused on having a creative narrative play out through the fight than actually having interesting choreography. Most of a fight scene is just dialogue between a few key moments.

Feel free to point out better examples that I'm missing.

In short, this. Manga can go on forever and ideally you want to stretch out story to keep people coming back. Traditionally comics could get canceled any day and needed to provide a complete plot.

a lot of manga that people say has good fights look like a bunch of scribbles to be desu (one piece is what i'm talking about)

Toriyamaa king tho

>one piece is what i'm talking about
I'd get lazy too after almost 1000 chapters.

yeah but i stopped reading at the start of the underwater kingdom arc

There's one kind of comics with even more pages to work with than manga: Webcomics.

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I hare Fairlyland

not him but ideally show lead up to impact, impact, then the result of said impact
you are aware theres plenty of action manga not centered around powers right?

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Ten Earth-Shattering Blows probably has the best action scenes in western comics right now, I'm surprised it only gets talked about on /tg/ and not here

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i feel toriyama's fight scenes are great because he comes from a comedy background and he has to focus on make everything happening crystal clear to make people get the joke.

if anyone wants to make good fight scenes in general they should study good fight scenes from movies, starting with this great video analyzing Jackie Chan's style

youtube.com/watch?v=Z1PCtIaM_GQ

not really? 3 pages a week for a year is only 156 pages. whereas if you draw 22 pages of a monthly comic for a year you're at 264. if a manga is a weekly 22 pages that works out to 1144 a year.

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Wasn't that post time skip as it is?

i know that but i mostly mean the big 2. seems really weird to have all these cool heroes with unique powers and threats but middling or uninteresting fight scenes.

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you are aware the guy generalized all of manga, yes? when Naruto and JoJo are hyper popular, it is a fair complaint.
>inb4 No he meant that the good ones do it good

Most webcomics don't even update with a page a day.

yeah there's like a couple of post time skip chapters to get everyone together and then they go underwater

If you manage to get enough patreon subscribers to make a webcomic full time (big if!), then you can make a full color page in about six hours, so in a 40-hour workweek that's enough time to make five pages a week, while still having ten hours left to write the damn thing and make merch and SEO and all the other stuff webcomic creators have to do.

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Or you could be a hack like Willis.

American comics are mostly talk, action scenes are an afterthought.

Seriously how hard is it to have one wind up panel, the impact and then a panel like that?

1. it looks like a surprise sucker punch so showing build up takes that away
2. it's a cropped panel from a page