Why is Wolverine even popular...

Why is Wolverine even popular? His powers are boring and ensures he’s always protected by plot armor so there’s never any stakes when he’s in danger.

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>Why is Wolverine even popular?
His first appearance was taking on The Hulk, he has an iconic look, his past was a mystery, and he's a lovable mad short guy with unbreakable bones/claws. What's not to like?
>His powers are boring and ensures he’s always protected by plot armor so there’s never any stakes when he’s in danger.
This is incorrect. He heals, he's not unstoppable or all powerful. For example Frank Castle, a normal human, kicked his ass and pinned him under a steamroller.

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Its the samd appeal as Doomguy
He'll rip and tear and nothing can stop him

He was dead from 2014-2018, OP.

>For example Frank Castle, a normal human, kicked his ass and pinned him under a steamroller.
That doesn't count, it written by Ennis who both hates Wolverine and refuses to write him in character.
Why Ennis hates Wolverine I'll never understand he gets his dick all hard over war and "hard making men hard choices" and Wolverine fits into both those categories.

While it is impressive that the main version of Wolverine was dead for that long in this day and age (I think only Hal and Barry have him beat and even then they were being totally replaced) it's not like anyone was under the impression it would last. And Old Man Logan was more of a fill-in than a full on replacement.

His personality is fun. Short angry guy who smokes cigars, never lets anyone forget he’s Canadian, and gives everyone a nickname.

He was interesting back when he was mysterious. What’s the deal with his powers? Where did he come from? Why is Sabertooth always hunting him? Just how old is he?

But now all that is gone and he’s gone through so much character development, I don’t see what the appeal is.

To write the most optimal Wolverine you must place him as the Vegeta of the group and not front and center.

>That doesn't count
Oh so now we're playing this game? How about when Hulk turned his brains into mush after a few punches to the skull?

The point is that Logan isn't the unstoppable killing machine he sells himself as. Drowning, buried under something, dismembered, intense blunt force trauma, a magnet, whatever.

He was one of the first edgy antiheroes who had a problem with authority and solved all his problems by stabbing them. He was a chad old manlet who kept trying to cuck his leader. He was also one of the first characters with a mysterious past.
All of this made him very popular, and a lot of readers self-inserted as him.

Originally Logan's healing powers weren't instantaneous, he still got hurt and it still took time for him to heal, so him just tanking hits that would kill anyone else made him look heroic. But the more popular he got, the more power creep he got until he just heals everything immediately.

Not that user but I'd count that more than Ennis writing the character. It's like how when Byrne doesn't like a version of a character he'll just ignore what other writers have done or outright retcon it.

That's not an issue exclusive to Wolverine, though, that's all prominent heroes.

He's regenerated back from being a skeleton multiple times, once in just a few seconds (Civil War). The nigger is unstoppable and boring af.

>Oh so now we're playing this game?
Fuck are you on about?
It doesn't count because the writer hates Wolverine and intentionally wrote him as an inept moron.
I made that very clear in my post.

>, once in just a few seconds (Civil War)
That's just bad writing and not the standard of the character.
>Boring af
How about actually reading something with Logan in it instead of one of the most overrated bullshit events ever?

His dysfunctional relationship with his kids/clones is fun; I like him as a foil to Laura as Wolverine.

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The first time this happened, it was due to magic, not his own powers. People remembering that it happened, but not having read how it happened is what led to the Civil War story, and everything since followed on from that.

The user is talking about Wolverine's tie-in to Civil War in his ongoing series, not the main event itself. This was right before Loeb came along.

Power level is not the only aspect of a character.

He did it with Phoenix in the Morrison run, too.

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>Why is Wolverine even popular?
He's a mini tank that just takes the damage and retaliates aggressively.

>His powers are boring and ensures he’s always protected by plot armor
Why single him out when comics are full of plot armor for everyone? His power is simple and to the point, his strong healing factor is what allows him to do what he does, the claws and bone frame getting a science boost was a massive power up allowing him to be a berserker tank.

>never any stakes when he’s in danger.
He can be out powered and out maneuvered just fine, and always gets messed up but he simply doesn't give up.

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Powers are the least interesting part of most characters so I’m not sure what your complaint is? Also 99% of superhero’s have plot armour and even if they die they comeback in a month or two.

Whether Civil War was good or not is irrelevant to the discussion at hand.

One thing that made Logan more endearing that writers have basically forgotten about is that while he was written as a man's man by Claremont he lost with women more than he won. Jean never seriously considered him an option and Mariko was forced to leave him at the altar. When he can fuck basically anyone he wants it removes something imo.

It's relevant because using a shit event is not an accurate indicator of the quality of said character. That's like me saying Wally West, or anyone in Heroes In Crisis, is a shit character.

user I'll give you that the writer of the story didn't understand why Logan healed so quickly the original time it happened but what we're talking about isn't equivalent to what happened with Wally. It wasn't in the main event and written particularly in Wolverine's actual ongoing title. If it was a mini-series tie-in I'd give your argument more credit but it wasn't.

How hyped up the story was is irrelevant. Using either as an example as a benchmark is stupid

The fact that Gabby doesn't go by Honey Badger anymore is a crime.

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It's been used as a benchmark since though. Far more people have read it and used it as an influence than read the other story.

There hasn't been a good Wolverine story since the climax of Fatal Attractions thirty years ago.

That, and the fact that Laura is still going by "Wolverine" despite the fact that everyone calls it stupid because she doesn't need to make the same choices or be like Logan.
Hardly. But even if Wolverine instead grows all his bits back, who cares? You act like that's the entire character, or that he's invincible. He gets his ass kicked all the time

>plot armor
He has a super healing factor, what did you expect?

>Batman
Now that is plot armor.

>That, and the fact that Laura is still going by "Wolverine"
Except she's not.
She hasn't been called Wolverine since Logan got back.

>she doesn't need to make the same choices or be like Logan.
She wasn't even doing that when she was still called Wolverine.
Fuck they gave her a whole subplot about that in All-New X-Men

>Except she's not.
I distinctly remember Logan trying to push her to call herself Wolverine in Hickman's book.

I also take umbrage with the idea that healing factor (or other related powers) are bad for storytelling and conflict. No, actually, it enables authors to depict more realistic damage and makes characters lose fights more plausibly.

Same goes for the dumb Krakoan egg revival thing: Heroes can lose and die in fights without authors worrying about ruining current continuity.

You just said she isn't called that though just that Logan would like her to.