Any good cartoons or comics about the Troubles?
I can't think of anything besides that one Captain Planet episode.
Any good cartoons or comics about the Troubles?
Garth Ennis touches upon it in a few of his books, being a man from the North himself. Troubled Souls was his debut work with longtime collaborator John McCrea on art. He also has Frank Castle as Punisher visit Belfast in his Marvel Knights run and addresses the deep-seated conflict that still flickers there to this day.
Muties #6 is a one-shot about Liam Connaughton, a kid mutant with explosive powers who is enlisted by an ambiguous terrorist group (doesn't strictly imply IRA) for purposes beyond his understanding. Not great but still interesting as an attempt.
The James Bond 'M' one-shot released two years ago by Declan Shalvey and PJ Holden (both Irish) centers around M's involvement in the troubles as a British paratrooper, and how it comes back to haunt him in the present.
I think a chapter of XIII delves into it briefly too but I haven't read it.
Oh, there's also a graphic novel on Bobby Sands called Freedom Fighter, can't account for its quality but he's an interesting figure so I'm sure it makes for captivating reading.
Many thanks for the selection.
I honestly had hoped for something a bit more involved than what most of those offer. I suppose it isn't a subject anyone is keen on making a dedicated piece of media for.
Main problem is The Troubles is a Uk/Ireland specific thing and they have little to no actual cartoon industry nor any outside studios willing to make it
There are some but they are in French.
Pic related is from a book called Chiens de Fusil.
I'll never forget the huge moment of comprehension I felt when I learned that Ennis was a Northern Irish Protestant. It explains so much about him.
I'm not familiar with the culture of the isles. Is that meant to explain why he's such a foul-mouthed, cynical joyless cunt?
XIII has a volume that happens in this period of time.
A batshit crazy time to grow up. Depending on which side of town you're born in, you get a gun in your hand at 13 and you're expected to blow an English soldier's head off.
The guy who made Secret of Kells should make a movie about this. But then the rest of Ireland probably doesn't give a cold shit about Northern Ireland.
Plus, I can't imagine most of Northern Ireland is exactly nostalgic for those cold, miserable days.
Didn't stop Waltz with Bashir or When the Wind Blows.
I am reading about it in the Wikipedia. I didn't know it lasted so much.
In any case, I found a top of comics that talk about this. But they are all in french.
No worries. I think the problem lies in most people being largely uninformed and often even entirely ignorant of the Troubles, and as such you only ever have Irish creators themselves dabbling in it - and we are a small nation with few involved in comics.
Yeah that's another thing, our animation industry is almost entirely kid/teen-focused.
Always surprised by how often it pops up in bande-desinée, there was a more recent book about it too that looked great (but I forget the name of)
It's still very recent and too fresh for most people that experienced it, too. And the Republic very much gives a shit about the North, might only be six counties but unionization is as hot a topic as ever with Brexit and Corona virus placing so much pressure on the borders
yes.Also hates catholics
There's been comics about far newer conflicts, like Pride of Baghdad.
It's strange that such an interesting and tumultuous time has little to offer in media that might appeal to the younger viewers. I feel like they stand to gain the most by understanding the conflict and being aware of it, especially as it is still ongoing to some degree.
Ennis fucking haaaaaates the IRA. Like you say, they appear in some of his stuff, and in every single one of them they get savagely insulted. He hates them so much he doesn't even treat them with respect. Every time they appear or are talked about they're treated as frauds and jokes who were never taken seriously and aren't worthy of being taken seriously, not by the British and not by anyone else, either. He despises them so much he doesn't even make them good villains, he just makes them punks.
I mean he grew up there and saw all the horrible shit going on first hand of course he would.
I always think back on that moment in Punisher Max where some IRA goon gets interrogated by a British guy and the Brit spends a whole page explaining to his partner why the IRA sucks.
god that's such a cute kid
always loved this pic
There was a web of Spider-Man story in the 80s where Spidey was supposed to go fight the IRA in London and Belfast. Marvel London office got a bomb threat due to it, so they had to change it to Spidey fighting some secret organization.
>fight the IRA
Historically speaking and their methods notwithstanding, aren't they undeniably the good guys for simply wanting their country back from the English invaders?
If you call terrorists who killed their own people with homemade bombs “good guys” sure.
>good cartoons or comics
>Captain Planet
They do what they have to do. All things considered, they're no Al Aqaeda or ISIS. Or at least all their attempts to be either never follow through or are not as big
>IRA says they'll BTFO any Brit
>Fucking bodied in every fight that wasn't a flat out ambush
What did they mean by this?
You do know they kept their operation going by making deal with people like Gaddaffi and Al Queda as well.
are you purporting to tell me there are "people" in the year two thousand and twenty that STILL don't recognize that the IRA was right
>aren't they undeniably the good guys for simply wanting their country back from the English invaders?
The Anglo-Scottish population of Northern Ireland had been there for 400 years, they had formed their own communities and had their own culture distinct from the rest of Ireland and Britain. If hypothetically you could get every single one of them to leave Northern Ireland, terrorising them probably wasn't the way to go about it.
>Gadaffi says if he goes away, Europe will be flooded by Africans
>He was right
so their mistake was working with al qaeda 20 years later than america did
Yeah and? They’re both shit for doing so
>aren't they undeniably the good guys for simply wanting their country back from the English invaders?
Yeah, You even have your retarded bad guys in the Ulster protestants.
It's the main reason he hates Christianity so much.
according to an user in another thread Ennis is irish by birth but part of a group that identifies as british first. Dunno if it is true or not, don't know much about british intern politics
i never gave a shit about the IRA until i read about some of the insanely evil shit the ulster prots pulled, like trying to plant a bomb in a music groups car so they could blame it on the IRA (they instead just murdered them after they were discovered) or the shankhill butchers who went around abducting random irish catholics and torturing them to death
truly a blighted people who deserve destruction
It was a complicated situation where both sides did horrible shit for dumb reasons for years just glad they found some form of peace finally.
>dumb reasons
Easy for an outsider to say but there's nothing dumb about wanting prots and their British dogs out of your country.
Honestly? Because a large portion of the comics industry is in the US, and people in Ireland and the UK would rather Americans keep their head down about a conflict where the roots can be traced back to a time before they were even a country.
Not least because every time a conversation about the Troubles starts up, some yank starts spouting shite about how the IRA did nothing wrong, because he's TOTALLY Irish because his great-great grandma had a best mate who went to Dublin once, but you only ever hear about that when he heads to the bar to order a "Black and Tan" or an "Irish Car Bomb" along with a pint of green watered down beer on "St Pattys Day".
>but there's nothing dumb about wanting prots and their British dogs out of your country.
But the Catholics didn't want that, they just didn't want to get beaten up by the cops. Shit got so bad that the IRA seemed like a good option.
I’m not saying they weren’t sympathetic but the way they went about sure did help in anyway but cause death and to some people caught in the crossfire.
Seriously though lads just how fucking good are Thin Lizzy
That’s because the US portrayed the IRA as heroic freedom fighters in all media for pretty much the entire conflict.