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>justice is prioritized over retribution
read: the mob lynches the the big scary looking nigro because he looks threatening and never does any investigative work to find out if he was really guilty.

How did you get that from justice OVER retribution?

The definition of justice changes from person to person. To you justice is dispassionate investigation that may take months or years until it's determined whether the person accused of the heinous crime is innocent or guilty. Then the punishment must be mettled out in proportion to the crime.
To another, justice is beating the shit out of the guilty because they know they are guilty because they are part of the guilty group. And if you don't agree, you're evil and potentially guilty of a crime we just don't know of yet.

I didn't.
I'm calling absolutely bullshit on the very idea of "justice over retribution" being possible without organized law enforcement.
"Justice" and "Retribution" are two words for the same concept, only differing in how much you personally approve of it on an emotional level.
A police-free world CAN disregard the idea of "justice" and "retribution" and just focus on making it up to the victim.
A police-free world can strive to create a perfect fairytale utopian society where nobody has a reason to do any crimes, because we give free food to the hungry and free hugs to the sad.
A police-free world can't aim to exact any sort of "just punishment" on a criminal.

Christ americans are fucking stupid. Like they have been for a few generations but the latest one is just fucking broken. If its not pure binary tribalism its the cognitive process of preschoolers.

What the fuck happened to you America? you are absolutely beyond recovery at this point.

>Like they have been for a few generations but the latest one is just fucking broken
They've been this stupid since the very foundation, they just had half-decent propaganda and the international political turmoil made it seem like they have their shit together.

Look ma, retards.

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This is how we going to go? Okay.
Better the utter chaos of the US than the jobber lifestyle in Europe where you beg for more government control over your life, and then scream for even more when the current officials turn into corrupt hedonists because they have too much power.
The entirety of Europe's mindset can be condensed into one sentence: I'm the victim, therefore I get to victimize you, and it's fucking spread all over the globe, ruining countries that could at one point stand on their own. Now they all demand assistance and expect it to be free, because their entire value system revolves around not beimg inconvenienced.
You think the US is bad, the rest of the world is a dumpster fire.

>The absolutely asinine "dancing, music and speaking in rhyme is the devils temptations" tier christian off shoots so fucked even regular 1800's CoE are going "woah now, thats a bit crazy, now everyones a witch or the devil" pull a "fuck you guys, we are making our own country, with cornshucks and hair bonnets for all!".
>Try to tame an entire content, surviving by the gun which itself becomes the new idol of worship as the soul protector of home and family in endless grasslands and mountains where cougars steal your kids away in a flash
>Entire culture based on paranoia and fear of 'THE OTHER' because, ironically, theres no laws or law enforcement and the base nature of humans is revealed, compounded by these being the religious nutjobs of the time or people on the run from some crime back in the civilised world or straight up good old fashioned frontier greed
>spend 200 saying how they are number one, the rest of the world wishes they could be them
>constantly on the verge of starvation, padding foods with none edible substances to try and feed a continent with an ever growing population with shrinking natural food sources
>education is scorned, idiocy prized and the average level of intelligence and education plummets
>primary exports are guns for terrorists and bad hollywood movies
>brief blip in the 40's where "the american dream" seemed like it wasn't a hustle
>now more than ever an isolationist nation of inbred, cultureless consoomer cattle that exist as meat for the grinder to keep this wheezing nightmare chugging along.

Can you imagine what america will look like in another 100 years?

I believe the whole American society is a playground for social experiments by the CIA illuminati or other reptilians. It's impossible for humans to get this retarded on their own.

This is going to be fun

>What the fuck happened to you America?
Unironically Nixon.
Everything after Nixon got impeached was payback for impeaching Nixon. There's a reason Roger Stone has a tattoo of him on his back.
>The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people. You understand what I'm saying. We knew we couldn't make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders, raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did.

>"Justice" and "Retribution" are two words for the same concept, only differing in how much you personally approve of it on an emotional level.
Not really. If someone is compensated for their loss, even if it's from the person who wronged them, it's a different concept from simply harming the wrongdoer in retaliation. You guys seem more confused than the person who made the comic, and that's saying something. You completely ignored the concept of restorative justice.

>b-but Europe!
Cope and keep drinking bleach.

In fact, I spot a contradiction in my post, let me issue a correction:
>I'm calling absolute bullshit on the very idea of "justice over retribution". Period.
The very idea is nonsense.
You can have "punishment dealt to the actual perpetrator of the crime" with organized law enforcement, but it's also not "justice" because there is no objective measure of what kind of punishment is just or not.
If somebody kills a man in cold blood, is it more just to also kill the murderer? Is it more just to put them to forced labor until they make back the monetary value of the life of their victim, as calculated by some formula? Is it more just to kill their loved one, so they have to feel the same loss? Is it more just to put them trough years of psychological work until they realize the depth of their crime and genuinely regret it, and become a good person and a valuable member of society?
Everybody is gonna have a different opinion. People will never agree on what's "just".

However, without organized law enforcement, you can't even rely on the mob rule to "punish" the actual criminal. Emotionally charged mobs have been accusing and lynching innocent people since time immemorial. You need some form of cold and calculating organized force to find proper evidence and track down the actual perpetrator.

>what America
Indeed.

These are children. They have no real world experience beyond what their teachers and professors have offered them, and it reflects heavily in their beliefs. They're spoiled brats who's parents have worked very hard to protect them and give them a good life, but by doing so, they've robbed them of the life experiences that would have then think things through.

>I prefer to not have any security and niggers freely robbing my stuff than having the law to defend you and the state t pay for your health
... ok

Thanks for the fanfic.

Could you please read the line immediately after the one you quoted?
I'm not ignoring the concept of restorative justice.
I'm all for restorative justice. It's great.
But unfortunately, "restorative justice" is only one specific definition of "justice", which has a broad range of meanings, and everybody uses it differently. And most people use it to mean "just punishment"

All I'm saying, the message of that speech bubble is pretty clear in context, even if the message is stupid.

How do you deal with rape? It is ok for me to burn your house as long as I'm homeless? If I just laugh at you refuse to do any of the punishment you want, what can you do?

Bruh, I'm trying to educate you on a definition so you don't completely misinterpret someone's argument. Ask the comic creator, not me.

>I'm trying to educate you
oh, the leftist trying to "reeducate" when unable to defend his point, imagine my fucking shock.

So, is this an actual comic or just Zig Forums bait?

What a seething retard

Eh, I guess, I probably am reading it in bad faith.
Although being honest, I absolutely know people - my own crazy aunt - who will absolutely say "we need to stop being so vengeful and focus on healing" and "those motherfuckers should all be tortured for what they did" in the same breath.

>We have the answers to heal and keep each other safe
I'm not hearing a lot of answers, I'm hearing a lot of vague platitudes. Do they really think eliminating a state police force eliminates the need for force to keep order?

Based retard.

>This is actually what americans tell themselves to sleep at night
>"b-but yuros tho!"
Washington is on fire you goon. Break the north korean programming already. You arent living on olympus above the plebs with gods chosen. You are dying and convinced your acts of suicide make you the number one football player making the touchdown.

Wake the fuck up.