Pink Diamond

She laughs a lot, you don’t know that. She was relieved when she left Spinel behind

No maybe in your own delusional fantasy version of Pink but the Pink in the show was obviously very regretful of her decision

Nope, never mentioned Spinel, ever fucking ever or regretting leaving someone behind

shut the fuck up. First why would Rose Quartz ever mention Pink Diamond's Spinel seems like something that would kind of blow her cover second did you not watch the scene where she does leave anyone with half a braincell could see that leaving Spinel behind was painful for her I hate people who try and skew things to fit this "muh Pink is bad" point of view it's fucking stupid

Nope. Zero pain. Was very annoyed by Spinel’s presence. Pink an asshole.

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Show me a single frame of her regretting leaving Spinel behind. She was happy because she’s kind of an asshole

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She wasn't regretful we literally never saw that, she more than likely forgot about Spinel and didn't think her actions could lead her to stand still for millennia; it is a running theme for her character that she doesn't think things through, it would be OOC for her to do it specifically to make Spinel suffer she was just tired of her she wasn't a real friend unlike her last Pearl. Sugar pretty aptly explains what was likely Pink's thought process
m.youtube.com/watch?v=YbBaGRboDVs
She left the toy in the garden, forgot about it. She didn't do it because she hated it she was just a careless kid.
>I think a part of that is in Spinel, and maybe my guilt that I had been so careless with something I thought I loved so much.
Rose grew to greatly sympathize with other gems and seeing Spinel would just be another thing on the guilt pile.

okay that's a fair point. I still don't believe this makes her a "bad person" but I guess I can see now that her actions were not pure. At least it was pre learning to be an actual person and not a spoiled princess Pink cause I'm sure the Pink we knew would never do such a thing

She did the same to Bismuth and would have left her in there forever, would literally rather die than let Bismuth out

first she obviously left Bismuth for Steven to rescue second Bismuth was going to shatter dozens of gems and possibly the diamonds as well as Rose bubbling her wasn't the best option but it wouldn't make her a bad person like most choices Rose made it was morally grey with no real right or wrong answer

No, it is pretty wrong for you to trap your friend for eternity and it is pretty wrong to pass the consequences of that onto somebody else.

The most damning evidence of all is the fact that she never went back in 5000 years despite having a fully functional warp pad.

Pink's problem was that she was absurdly irresponsible time and time again.

Muhammad was based and was a prophet of God which is made evident by his many prophecies and miracles. He was foretold in the Gospel and was described even by enemies as being one of the most handsome men alive.

and Pink diamond would be in hell if it existed

How is that evidence of regret?
And a cunt

not for eternity cause she was gonna get let out by Steven. Rose probably thought her child could handle this far better than her. Also you know lets not forget she spent most of her existence locked up when she was being a nuisance so she probably thought that's just how you deal with problems so you know like most problems in the SU world it all comes back to the diamonds you know actual bad people.

She didn't know how Steven would turn out. Pink isn't omniscient. She just swept Bismuth under the rug like she did with all of her problems.

So, she left the person she believed to be dangerous to be dealt with her innocent child, and never left any sort of warning? And the Diamonds at least try to fix the shit they do, Pink did nothing. Because you know, she’s just plain shit.

anyone who says Pink isn't an irredeemable cunt needs to watch the fucking show again.
She could've gone back for Spinel at any time.
She could've unbubbled Bismuth with the rest of the gems and talked things out. If Bismuth still refused to talk about it, well, she'd be more justified. But she didn't even make an effort.
She could've dealt with so many of her problems instead of just shoving them onto Steven to deal with.
She just wanted to run from her problems.

So she wasn't perfect I still don't understand how that makes her a bad person. She is really one of the most human characters in the show with flaws, regrets, and poor choices you know like a person she made difficult decisions one of them being how to deal with Bismuth she didn't want to hurt her friend and comrade, she didn't want to possibly give away her past as Pink, and she probably didn't want to return to her allies with Bismuth's gem in her hands so she made the decisions she thought was right. If you choose to see everything black and white then yes you'll only see her as a bad person but once again she is a morally grey character

Any time before she faked her shattering she could've gone back for Spinel.

The show implied Bismuth attacked Rose and likely attempted to shatter her, it wasn't right to lock her up for so long without telling anyone she might have even been afraid some of her comrades would agree with Bismuth. She didn't forget about her though purposefully leaving her in Lion for Steven likely thinking the situation would cool off when she realized Rose was gone and things were going well until Bismuth dragged a child into her murder fetish.

Meh, not really, she just runs away from all her problems and doesn’t care who it hurts. To contrast, Blue and Yellow specifically didn’t want White to get mad at Steven or hurt him. Pink didn’t give a fuck and left him and everyone behind forever

Bismuth thought he was Rose, she made her kid deal with the consequences of her actions because she was weak and kind of a coward

well yes if you only highlight the bad things she did and take completely out of context sure those do seem like things some who is irredeemable would do but if watch the show and see how she developed and grew as a person you'd see she is a deeply flawed person but not bad one. She saved all of humanity, loved earth more than anything, wanted to free the gems from an oppressive society, and stop the terror of the diamonds she was not perfect hell even in Love like you there is a hint that she thinks she is a very flawed person asking things like "what makes you think I'm so special?"

Any time after, either. It would require some more explaining, but she could have still done it.

Pink is not evil. Simply an irresponsible moron whose actions have cosmic consequences. She was a spoiled child.

Everyone told her he wasn't Rose and she believed it, until he predictably had the same response to her murder boner. It is Rose's fault though but you can at least understand what the thought process likely was Bismuth WAS completely neutralized upon realizing Rose was gone and happy to be given a second chance right up until she chimped out. You got to keep in mind she chimped out only because she learned Homeworld still had their eyes on the Earth which Rose did not know.

Sure, she SAYS she loves Earth and all that. She has a whole facade of being pure and noble and loving now, but that's all it is. Ultimately, she was making others pick up her messes until the very end. I won't argue that her rebellion was inherently noble, but one noble action doesn't make a saint.
Nobody's saying she's *evil*, just that she's a fucking cunt.

Then yeah that gets tied with her being a spoiled brat which she totally is. She just happens to be a spoiled brat with shit loads of influence