- The Voice was not the spirit of Iduna, but apparently somehow Elsa herself, according to Jennifer Lee. Thus, Elsa called herself to Ahtohallan.
- All Is Found specifically warns to go 'not too far' in Ahtohallan, 'or you'll be drowned.' Anna repeatedly reminds Elsa of this. Despite these blatant warnings, Elsa almost immediately goes too far once inside Ahtohallan.
- To sum up, Elsa (subconsciously?) summons herself to a place she knows will 'drown' her for going too far and does exactly that.
- Additionally, throughout the movie she continuously jumps headfirst into danger without thinking of the consequences.
Elsa wanted to kill herself. She's journeying to a place she knows she can do it safely - Who knows if a person with powerful magic ending their own life would result in danger to anyone in the immediate area. Best to do it deep inside a glacier in the middle of the ocean. - and without interruption. This is why she pushes Anna and Olaf away in the canoe. Not because "the journey is too dangerous," but because she doesn't want to hurt her loved ones, physically or mentally, by having them with her when she ends it all.
Whatever the reason, what se did was extremely selfish, although I guess that's not out of character.
Dylan Jones
Any explanation the fans can come up with will be better than whatever the hell the original intention was.
Jacob Robinson
This feels like a stretch. You're taking Elsa's journey of self-discovery and looking at it through the lens of "she was secretly suicidal". If we were talking about the first film, your ideas would carry some weight, especially after being told that she's a monster and everything bad is her fault.
Caleb Nguyen
But Elsa always felt miserable and out of place in Arendelle. Weren't you paying attention during Into the Unknown?
Connor Gomez
The moral of this story is: if want something, you have to take it. Anna shouldn't have hesitated for 3 years.
Thus, she went on a journey of self-discovery that ended with her becoming a literal goddess. What does any of that have to do with her wanting to take her own life?
Joshua Reed
""""""franchise"""""" Basically two movies, one meme song, and a generation of female siscons
Ethan Sullivan
It would be funny if Elsa used the image of her horrible mother to call herself to suicide.
Jose Thomas
>two movies Comics, toys, video games, Disney park stuff, discussion of a third movie/series...
Joshua Collins
Comics and books too. The only thing it’s missing is a cartoon TV series.
>two theatrics shorts >a broadway musical >spinoff books >cereal toys and more Honestly I'm disappointed in the Disney merch machine. I feel like there should have been way more.
Nathan Reed
oh yes, motherfucking alladin was a franchise then, too? Heck, the closest thing to a franchise Disney had in in ages (if any) was fucking Lilo and Stitch. comics/books are also not that bit a deal. At least the ones I am aware of are just retellings of the films.
Hudson Young
we get it, user. you don't like frozen.
Camden Moore
...what is a franchise to you, user? It's not some sacred status that only a few chosen movies attain. Most things are franchises these days.
>motherfucking alladin was a franchise then, too? Yes? It had a ton of products over multiple forms of media. That’s what a franchise is.
Brandon Brown
>Franchise, noun: a series of related works (such as novels or films) each of which includes the same characters or different characters that are understood to exist and interact in the same fictional universe with characters from the other works. Are you redefining what a franchise is because the definition happens to include something you don't like?
Daniel James
Interesting theory but why do you think she didn't let Nokk kill her? She was all alone then.
Isaiah Lee
Not really, it was a perfectly serviceable thing. I just think it's unreasonable to call it a "franchise" when the scale of this film is no different from what we have seen of other films in the 90s.
Jose Howard
Please don't ignore what this user posted
Noah Sullivan
I really hope it’s no different, because 90’s movies also got Tv shows and theme parks
Brody Russell
Aladdin was a franchise, yes.
Jeremiah Jenkins
I think it's that she didn't care about dying more than she actively seeking to die.
Logan Edwards
She wasn't in Ahtohallan yet. In her mind, it had to be done there. She fought Nokk out of sheer "You won't stop me!" She had no idea if her powers would go off like a nuke or something. And for all she knew Anna had gotten out of the boat and made a beeline for the beach.
Oliver Lee
I concede, it fits the formal definition, which also explains why it is so incredibly overused. And like I said, I do not dislike Frozen. But don't you think the word is kind of meaningless the second every remotely successful Disney film fits the bill? Tangled is a franchise. Snow white is a franchise. Theoretically everything that shows up in Kingdom Hearts is now a franchise.
Jeremiah Johnson
Snow White had comic strips before it premiered theatrically.
Franchise has never stood for anything sacred, user, it's a simple noun. I think you just have case of severe autism, and I rather stop replying to you.
Thomas Rivera
Snow White had live action adaptations before it premiered theatrically. Snow White had a book before it premiered theatrically.
Nolan Hughes
Kingdom Hearts is a franchise Tangled is a franchise as it has a show
Jayden Garcia
I prefer “franchise” much more than “expanded universe” because at least it’s honest about its primary function being to make money
Juan Campbell
I was originally gonna call the thread "Frozen/Frozen II Discussion," but I didn't want it to sound like I wanted only the films to be discussed.
Daniel Wright
Sure, I can see your point. Also, I guess if I wanted to kill myself and was a few miles away from this ancient mythological place I'd prefer to go and visit it before anheroing myself
Gavin Powell
Snow White doesn't have any live-action adaptations by Disney afaik.
A lot of movies first had a novelization released before premiere, such as with Lady and the Tramp.
Evan Ross
ofc it's not sacred. I think I am just getting old.
