Is Mr A really a good objectivist? Is murderous vigilantism really compatible with the ethics of objectivism?

Is Mr A really a good objectivist? Is murderous vigilantism really compatible with the ethics of objectivism?

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There are no ethics to objectivism, it's a quack philosophy. Ayn Rand preached enlightened selfishness while cashing social security cheques.

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And then she gave up on it, when she got sick.

Very possible, but I am curious to what objectivists would say about it. Did Ditko misunderstand or just move away from her statism?

I think Ditko had a deep, abiding love for the idea of heroism in his life, which is why he loved working in superhero comics, and he was better just about anybody at making them. So he latched onto objectivism so strongly because it felt like the childish black-and-white ethics of superheroes applied to the real, adult world, and he tried to marry those two together in Mr. A. Unfortunately, what resulted is a beautifully designed comic that makes zero sense and seems like it was made by a crazy person. (Neil Gaiman even called it outsider art in that Ditko doc.)

Watchmen (largely based on Ditko characters and designs) is also about what happens when you try to force comic book tropes/ethics onto the "real world" -- it doesn't really work out that well.

But isn't that in her self-interest?

You are probably correct. It seems like he didn't have any real grasp of the philosophy and made it into some absolute moral code.
I find it really fascinating desu.

>Mr. A
>MRA
>objectivist
heh

The whole point of objectivism is that you don’t beg for anything and you don’t steal, you earn it.

Hey, knock yourself out, pal. Just do us all a favour and don't get elected into any position where you're influencing social policy, we don't need any more objectivists telling poor people they're just not trying hard enough for those food stamps
desu

Dikto was kinda crazy and probably a bit autistic.

So Ayn Rand's Objectivism was just hypocritical Jewry? You sure she wasn't related to Bob Kane?

>>Zig Forums

Bob Kane makes me feel legitimately shit for Bill Finger, the man was utterly cucked in every sense of the word on one of the biggest super heros of all time. Ayn just inspired a bunch of smug faggots who think they’re superior

Well, I'm not an objectivist, so you don't have to worry. :)

She also spent a lot of her adult life living in other people's houses and living it up on their money. She was a professional party darling of the upper class. One of those people that the rich loved to keep around for their own amusement like psychics and washed up athletes. Which is understandable because she made an entire philosophy that told rich people that being selfish was good.

Wait, if Jewry is just earning things instead of beg, borrowing, and stealing them, why the heck is Zig Forums antisemitic? Isn't earning what you spend the opposite of socialism, and therefore by definition redpilled?

Not when the (((Chosen of (((Zion)))))) do it, duh.

Zig Forums believes they earn everything they keep getting.

Well her most ardent follower was Alan Greenspan, so....

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>Claim to be strong independent woman who earned everything she got.
>Goes on the dole and gets charity by being an e-thot celeb before it was cool.
>Gets even more dole for being Jewish
>I worked hard to get simps to pay my bills.
Rand had the Neet Life locked down with hardcore along with OG Jewish Oppression sheckles on top. No wonder Zig Forums disliked her. She Jew'd the system in a way they never will.

You could insert her into the Great Gatsby and people who had never read it would assume she was since kind of parody character Fitzgerald made up.

>if Jewry is just earning things
It's not.

>Gatsby was originally a Jew (Gatz) who changed his name to hide his ancestry and pass as a WASP
>Had connections with the Kosher Nostra and the film industry
>Acted Randian at first but it was all a ploy to gain money & power in the end.
If only people saw the signs earlier. Then we wouldn't have all these Epsteins & Weinsteins running amok.

Ayn Rand was also hated the weak and powerless and worshiped the powerful. The elite needed her around as a sort of proto-pragerU.

Ok, this seems to be a subject that a lot of people have opinions on, but no one is defending her or the philosophy.

>pragerU.

What is that? I know they have a youtube channel that was quite good.

What I wonder if why there seem to be a bias about rich people here and probably in her philosophy too. Isn't it in poor peoples self interest to use the social system as much as possible?

It's a conservative non-profit political education organization. They basically make professional grade YouTube video on conservative talking points.

>ethics of objectivism
Ayn Rand was having an affair with her married friend and when she found he was also cheating on her with a younger woman he shunned him from her social circle, and then she shunned his wife for not telling her about the second affair.
Literally "Your husband was cheating on me and you dared not to tell me, we're not friends anymore."

Thanks.
For me conservatism should actually be opponents to objectivism since objectivism tends towards libertarianism or ancap. But I guess it is a american thing, where conservatives isn't really conservative just like liberals aren't liberal. More like christian capitalists it seems.

Ayn Rand was also pro-choice, not something you hear her followers bring up a lot today.

Yeah, she seems to be a hypocrite, but maybe the philosophy has some kind of consequent system in itself.

Nope. An objectivist only does stuff if it is in his rational self-interest. Mr. A gains nothing out of risking his life with murderous vigilantism, he isn't getting paid and he dedicates his time and money to these endeavors, so what he's doing is selfless charity, which is completely anathema to Ayn Rand's worldview.

Both sides of the mainstream political system in America are chimeras at this point. They're coalitions based on tenuous practical agreements rather than strong ideological bonds.

Pretty much, Mr. A makes a point of never risking his life to save "bad guys", but he is willing to risk his life to save strangers if they are "good". Ayn Rand didn't believe that anyone should ever risk their life to save a stranger, since by doing it you're basically saying that the other person's life is worth more than yours, and according to objectivism your own life is the only thing that matters.

The videos preach morals such as "you can't possibly know more than our experts and you can't know a good way to change the status quo so work on yourself", "not saying Merry Christmas to me is hateful", and "we don't give enough money to Israel". They'll tell you what they think about liberal subjects and pass out quizzes to make sure you're accepting their opinions as facts.

I mean if you're the kind of person who has trouble standing up for themselves and gets stepped on a lot it can be an empowering personal narrative, but it's also a road map to narcissism and it's absolutely a shit way to run a community.
If you want to spend some quality time face palming read up on Galt's Gulch Chile. It was an attempt to create a private Randian utopian community that almost immediately spiraled into back stabbing and fraud.

Partly I think it is a case of drinking their own Kool-aid. They have to market themselves to the masses around the middle, and that demand that they pretend that they are something more then they actually are. After a while they start to believe in their own BS. At least that is what happened in Europe.
Plus the fact that capitalism is so extremely powerful that not even socialist can ignore it.

Yeah. I remember when reading Atlas Shrugged thinking that Galt's Gulch was a laughable fantasy. There's no way a bunch of narcissistic rich people who are convinced that selfishness is a virtue would be able to get along and form a stable society.

Nice. That sounds like excellent inspiration material for comics.