Not even in the face of armageddon

Reminder that Walter Kovacs was fine with nuking Japan to end the war and save lives.

Because it's a childlish point of view. Almost nothing is 100% bad or good.

>Lying is okay if it's for he children, won't you think of the children?
You'd make an excellent politician user

>i understand how you're not supposed to relate to rorschach in any way because you'd miss the whole point that way
No, that isn't true.

Rorschach is a TRAGIC character, not someone you're supposed to hate, but also not someone you're supposed to admire.

>how is this seen as a bad thing?
Because armageddon is bad, and thus compromising to prevent it is good? Seems fucking obvious to me.

rorschach has genuine virtue underneath a lot of damage and hypocrisy. not a lot, certainly not enough to justify the way he is - he is far more a product of abuse than he is of sane moral health - but when millions of people just died, he's the only one who doesn't buy adrian's shit for even a second. nite owl and spectre are still normal ass people and their reaction (and acceptance) is very human of them, and strikes me that they are way too far in over their head to really contest adrian at all. of all the people in that room, rorschach is the only one who can tank the weight of what just happened at face value and call it for what it is because he's a deranged lunatic with nothing and nobody to live for. he has nothing at stake which might cause him to doubt if he should move forward with his convictions. whether he was right to try and tell the truth or not is a seperate debate - what matters is that it's pretty fucking profound that its the violent psychopath who is willing to sacrifice everything to do the right thing, and how that fact plays into the end of rorschach's character arc. he's not a hero, but with that final act, it shows that even for all of his gargantuan fuck-ups and sadistic self-indulgence and fatalistic nihilism, he's still trying to do the right thing and would never be able to "look down and whisper no" like he says he would.

Ozzy was the only adult in that room.

Compromise is the essence of diplomacy, and diplomacy is the cornerstone of love, sweet love.

Telling the whole world that there wasn’t an alien invasion would unto the global alliance Adrian created between all nations. Sure, it was made from the blood of millions, but that’s a small price to pay compare to the billions of lives on Earth.

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Hi Adrian, wassup

Thanks for the book report, how about any actual thoughts?

The takeaway of Watchmen is supposed to be "superheroes are not good for the real world." Not the lawless vigilantes, not the super-powered beings de-stabilizing human politics, not the masterminds trying to control human destiny behind the scenes.

The only one who sees this, at the end, is Rorschach, and his determination to do his version of the right thing, makes his last act the purest "superhero act" in the entire book, and he gets killed for his trouble. The only other contender might be Dan and Laurie saving people from the fire but that's being done basically as foreplay more than selfless reasons.

>Moore is not a retarded manchild
he kind of is, though

Holy fuck someone who gets it! That's it. That's the "gag" or the joke at the end of the book. You spend the whole book thinking Rorschach is a crazy person (and he is) only for his ridged rejection of moral compromise to put him on the right side in the end. Everyone else compromises and goes along with the horrible injustice. I can't (you) everyone in this thread defending Adrian, but just remember: Nothing ever ends.

Never compromising in and of itself not a virtue, in fact it's more of a vice at times. Rorschach never compromising on his warped worldview and morals isn't really something that should be praised and the only time where he does something that society at large would possibly consider moral is his opposition to the conspiracy being successful.

Dan's "compromise" was to go away and pretend he hadn't seen anything. That's not a compromise, that's a surrender. Ozymandias didn't make any concession except letting him live, I suppose.

>Rorschach is a damaged but determined child fighting a threatening adult world by playing dressup
>like all superheroes.
You show that fantasy genre what for, user.

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Dude, I *love* superheroes, fuck outta here with that shit. Doesn't mean they're not silly and out of place in the real world, that's the entire point of Watchmen. You know, the book the rest of us are discussing?

>The takeaway of Watchmen is supposed to be "superheroes are not good for the real world."
>(superheroes are) silly and out of place in the real world
It's a banal point that could only be made by a tedious person who thinks realism in fiction is inherently a virtue.

It is a virtue *in a realist work* LIKE THE BOOK WE ARE TALKING ABOUT, you twit.

>ANOTHER Rorschach thread
Can we have discussion about another Watchmen character for once

You start a Hollis Mason thread, I'll be there in a flash, boss

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I agree that he has a childish view of the world, right/wrong, but he isn't "playing dress up." He's a fucking crazy person in a trench coat. That isn't his lone ranger mask, he thinks that's his FACE.
Dan fits your description better as a guy putting on costume and play pretending, along with Captain Metropolis, the original Night Owl, etc.