I have a genuine question, Zig Forums

i'd say mostly this, but also applied to the audience as well. If you've never been in same sex relationship you won't understand the dynamic even if it's realistically written.

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>Pic is a prime example.
I disagree.
Wanna talk about it? Just saying it felt "stiff and forced" doesn't really do much for your point. What about this couple made it come off as such to you?

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1. It's a kids cartoon/comic and kids generally don't give a shit about romance
2. Tokenism. The writers don't really care all that much about making a romance plot for lesbians, all they need to do is show two "girls" kiss on screen and Twitter go about their business

You assume by default that they're straight so you get surprised if they turned out to be bi or gay.

I think the real answer is that there are multiple reasons for why gay romances usually come off as badly done. In the case of the one you posted, I think the two main reasons are
1. Weak, inconsistent characters. AT struggled with this as a whole in later seasons
2. No real justification or significance. What purpose does PB and Marcy getting together have to the story? Very little. Far from making it a big deal, the show mostly puts it in the background. That’s why the kiss at the end was so silly: it wasn’t the culmination of any story arc, it was really quite pointless

Are we going to pretend that all the straight couples are better written?

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I don't notice the same thing when homosexuality comes up in anime. Maybe because Japan's not a historically Christian country. When American SJWs introduce homosexuality they make a big deal of it like they're giving a middle finger to "the homophobes" or something. They drag out the reveal and make it a big dramatic thing, instead of just something like a girl saying "Whoa she's kinda cute" about another girl like they would in anime.

pic is an example of a relationship that started as nothing but a personal ship among the shows creators, who fought on and off about including it because adventure time is a show with no clear plan or good writing and a buncha writers just taking turns throwing their own shit at the wall. also the ship was equally as likely to sail as it was to sink so even the people writing it in were kinda scooting around being so obvious about it in case it didnt pan out

that's often the case with gay ships, theyre unplanned and no one is sure how itll fly so the writing for it can either go nonexistant to super obvious proverbial making out to make it obvious it IS a ship, to nonexistant again, and no one knows what'll happen with it

We need more Male gay pairings

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we don't autistically hyperfocus on every single straight couple and spend all of our energy coming up with reasons why it's poorly written

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Stop talking out your ass, everyone hated this pairing and it's brought up in every Ben 10 thread. And before that it was Julie. Stuff like what OP is complaining about isn't new and it's definitely not exclusive to gay couples. And it's not even a problem with cartoons and comics but you see it in movies where the main characters just fall in love with little chemistry.

when straight couples are badly written it's not for the bravery asspats that come with even having a straight couple to begin with. of course straights can be just as body written, but they don't need to be mentioned because everyone just criticizes them as a couple, and not considers their existence a statement that shouldnt be criticized at all

Here's part of the problem. You assume including the gay couple is for "bravery asspats"

So again, you're saying that the gay couple needs to be justified better than the straight couple. Maybe the writers just wanted to write a gay couple. How is that any different than the writer wanting to write a straight couple?

even when they do, they still get the asspats nontheless and it becomes impossible to discuss

Tell that to every movie where the one girl ends up with the main guy for no reason.

>cartoon writers can't write hetero relationships
Kim possible says hello
youtu.be/vvvHLoJIQEM

good writing
>put a little piece of your soul into each character
>the characters fall in love on their own
bad writing
>because the writer has total power over what the characters do they fall in love by force

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>childhood friends with chemistry get closer and become a couple
>nu-Zig Forums now considers it rushed and forced

it's a sin

Cartoon writers seem bad at writing relationships in general but to answer the question a lot of lesbian couples, and they are usually lesbians, are the result of shipper pressure or trying to look progressive. The problem is almost always, despite what shippers see, there is no groundwork laid, chemistry between the characters, and basically any hints at the romantic presences have usually been straight. So you basically have people that aren’t good at writing relationships having to create a lesbian relationship out of nowhere or out of two characters that were intended to be heterosexual and now are suddenly gay.

Sinning is fun

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Exactly. I can say that the Star and Marco romance sucked in Star Vs. without having people try to defend it in every post. In fact, as another user stated, most cartoon romances suck - but we can at least acknowledge that the het ones were written like shit. Meanwhile we have to pretend that the gay ones are some incredible breakthrough for animation history.

then why is my dick so hard smart guy

You can go back to crying about confederate statues now

The better question is

Why do cartoons meant for kids always have undertones of sex and love?

Are modern writers pedophiles?

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>so they make it an unnaturally forced and big deal which often leads up to a final moment "epic" kiss
Forced how?
The final moment epic kiss is like the most common trope for straight couples as well. The characters hook up at the end of the show/movie, and there's a big damn kiss. Have you been living under a rock and never watched a single Disney princess movie?