HBO watchmen didn’t get Dr Manhattan

>HBO watchmen didn’t get Dr Manhattan
>Nether did Doomsday clock
>Somehow zack synder was the closes to getting Dr Manhattan
Why do writers struggle with Dr. Manhattan?

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Because all Watchmen spin-offs are moneygrabs made by talentless hacks. Most of them struggle to get any character right.

Snyder only "got" Manhatten because he was doing a thoughtless 1:1 translation of the basic premise and story of Watchmen, and as such, didn't exactly change much about Manhatten's fundamental characterization.
Doomsday Clock and HBOmen are trying to write completely new stories of Watchmen, and as such, completely ignore/forget Manhatten's purpose in the narrative and what he represents in Watchmen's deconstruction.
But out of Clock and HBO, at least Clock sort of understood how Manhatten's powers worked. HBO flat out committed character assassination and couldn't be jacked to understand how Manhattan works at all.

Snyder had the blueprint for Manhattan since he was just straight up adapting the original but he still didn't understand the character.

That's because Snyder just adapted the images and words from the comic directly

I think a lot of the problem comes from the fact that other writers just give him one of the two standard living personalities: Benevolent, or Selfish.

Jon is neither of these things. He's just a man who's losing grip on his identity because the burdens of his life have fundamentally changed. He's no longer limited to the laws of reality as he knew them, but all illusion of free will has been stripped away. Imagine knowing that you will never experience anything new for the rest of your life, and that you are essentially immortal.

Snyder's Doctor Manhattan goes on and on about alternate or parallel dimensions or whatever, something that's never even brought up in the original text. Other than getting the nihil and pessimism right, which isn't too fucking hard cuz you just gotta read, it was nothing special.
Lindelof Manhattan was actually a pretty good continuation to the one we got in the original. Only racists disagree.

It's so sad that Steve Wozniak died from bofa

Yeah, at the very least Doomsday Clock made him a multiversal curious guy that did things just out of curiousity. I especially liked how he talked about Magic and was almost thanksful to have learn a new thing.

>Lindelof Manhattan was actually a pretty good continuation to the one we got in the original.
Not even close. Lindelof just reverted Manhattan evolution. That and the weak SFX and the fucking lithium weakness
>Only racists disagree.
Now that's just poor bait

>Manhattan ever going back to Earth ever
>Manhattan finding love at all after the book
>Manhatten doing something SOLELY because his powers saw him doing it
>Manhatten ever, ever EVER making an independent decision, and not being a doormat

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>reverted Manhattan evolution
As in his character arc? I suppose you might have a point there. Watchmen '86 ends with him having a touch of optimism, but I do remember him being back to his old ways in the HBO show. I wonder if this switch is justified by some event in the story?
Is that what you were referring to, though? that is a fair point, I suppose.
>Now that's just poor bait
While I was memein' just a bit, we did just have a thread on Watchmen, and people can't stop with the 'Dr. Detroit' shit.

>>Manhattan ever going back to Earth ever
I mean, he did it in the book. Found value in all life and shit.

Yeah, at the end of OG Watchmen, Manhattan is fucking off to another galaxy to create life as he saw the unpredictableness of it as a wonderful miracle and likes that nothing is trully set in the futur.
Hell, him going back to Earth with Laurie was almost him saying "Now I will stop being passive and I'll do shit beause I want to". And in HBO he just let himself get killed and falling in love because he "saw it"

>Lindelof Manhattan
>good
Not even gr8 b8 m8.

>Lindelof Manhattan was actually a pretty good continuation to the one we got in the original. Only racists disagree.
(You)

sugondese nuts

Because they are dumb. They just use him for their purpose rather than what he would act in their created situations.

>Somehow zack synder was the closest to getting Dr Manhattan
Snyder understands autism. He's practically the Patron Saint of it at this point.

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who is Dr Manhattan?

Since the other thread died, I'm gonna post a reply here to an user from the other thread, and hopefully he sees it.
This would have been way better than what we actually got. Provide some actual closure for Nite Owl instead of "he's in jail because he didn't wanna be a sellout"

I'm thinking that the black guy becoming Rorschach at the end of Doomsday Clock doesn't make any sense.
>yes, Kovacs was an irredeemable psycho who fucked up your parents' life but the mask looks real fucking cool so you should keep wearing it
Also since he became less violent he had literally fuck all to do with Rorschach at that point.

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What's wrong with just taking the source material and making a 1:1 live action adaptation of it? More comic book movies should do this IMO.

All the posts quoted complain about his lack of proper understanding of the source material that can be seen in the movie, not 1:1 adaptation.

That version would be horrific. First Manhatten is too proactive. And it would clash too much with manhatten absence only to come back for Angela.
But sure it would be better than the jail or enforcer plotline we got.

Plus he was working off David Hayter's script that even Moore himself had praise for.

He didn't praise the script, he just said he didn't have any beef with Hayter.

>All the posts quoted complain about his lack of proper understanding of the source material that can be seen in the movie, not 1:1 adaptation.
>SAY THE LINE!
>No, say the line with feeling!
Is that what you mean?

Because people are dense and don't understand that his power to see the future doesn't actually deprive him of the ability to make choices.
>I can see that having this affair will definitely make my wife leave me as if I actually need superpowers to predict that
>Gonna do it anyway
He's not a cold unfeeling emotionless god- he's a pretentious asshole.

You're dense. The Watchmen universe is deterministic. Manhattan isn't seeing alternate possibilities, he's seeing his entire lifetime at once and the future is as changeable as the past, not at all. He's just the only one directly aware of it.