Finally watched Ninja Turtles Forever and god damn did they do the 80s Turtles dirty by fucking making them incompetent...

Finally watched Ninja Turtles Forever and god damn did they do the 80s Turtles dirty by fucking making them incompetent and retarded every time they appeared on screen. Is there a reason why the writers had a massive hate boner for the OG turtles?

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because they had seen the show since the 80s and realized it sucked

It really is a shame

I watched the 87 turtles as an adult and while I probably judged it a little easier because it was an old cartoon I enjoyed what I was watching

The crossover when I rewatched it after just seemed to shit on them

The later crossover was better but honestly it was a short, the stakes didn't seem that high and I didn't like the Krang connection

I disliked more how they made the B/W comic turtles untouchable mary sues. Also 2003 Raph tried to suck up to them rather than stand up to them and defend the 80s turtles

Eh

2003 raph was always kind of an edgy asshole so I never had a problem with it

Have you actually watched the 80s turtles recently? They are fucking incompetent and a joke, and I say this as someone that grew up watching and loving the series.

they literally had the 80s turtles cry to their daddy.

I mean, didn't Mirage Mikey smack 2K3 Raph when he got tired of the simping/dissing and later on 2K3 Raph admitted he thought the belt buckles were cool? That was a nice point for '87.

The 80's show was a well-written, well-acted action comedy with great characters.

*MIRAGE Raph thought the buckles were cool, not 2K3. My bad.

The 80's turtles are very good at what they do and can hold their own in a fight.

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They crack jokes but there's a lot more to them than that. They're great fighters and can be serious when it's necessary. They're no different than any other action show protagonists at the time.

Not him. Don't agree lad, as someone that never watched it as a kid. I can see why kids loved it but as an adult? It seems way too silly for me to enjoy it.

Part of it is that 87 is very silly to begin with, but I think the bigger reason is probably to try and illustrate the differences between the iterations of the turtles.

While I do think that they overdid it with the silliness, the 80's show was in fact very silly and I don't think they made them incompetent in the movie. Hell, they were only able to do anything thanks to 80's Donatello making absurd inventions out of trash. And in the fights against the foot soldiers the 80's turtles fought in unconventional but effective ways. They were only useless against the B/W turtles and so were the 2003 turtles. If anything, I think that they embraced the silliness rather than hate on it.

>I can't take this show about talking turtles seriously.

It's like what they were on their teenage phase of everything I liked as a kid is dumb or something.

Because they were like that from season 2 until the red sky seasons?

Actually have YOU watched an episode? They’re pretty damn competent, and have saved the planet from full scale invasions.

Either Eastman or Laird was heavily involved with the '03 show and has a very clear disdain for the original show.

Yeah but it also isn't funny to me. It's a kids show mate, sort of thing I might watch high but that's about it. Pretty sure there are much better shows I can put time into

It was Laird I'm pretty sure, as the buyout of Eastman began in 2000 and he was pretty checked out of all TMNT stuff by that point. I seem to recall seeing interviews with Laird where he talks about being very heavily involved with 2003 as well.
It's a good thing that he was too because it meant that we got the best animated iteration of the Turtles.

The Fred Wolf Turtles are from a truly awful TV show with next to no redeeming qualities. The animation is awful and full of errors, the plots are completely nonsensical and the "humor" isn't even a tenth as funny as it thinks it is.

The show deserves to be mocked for the pile of shit it is so that the franchise can move on from it and the retarded fans who have refused to grow up since the 80's.

Also, don't call it "OG". The fact that it's an adaptation bars it from that title.

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I think the TMNT2012 episodes with them did a better job at honoring the OG series without shitting on them.

I watched the '87 Turtles recently and it was sheer fun. It still holds up. Yes it's goofy. If '03 is Batman: The Animated Series, '87 is The Brave and the Bold. Or maybe Batman '66. It's still fucking fun to watch. It's funny at times, it introduces lots of great mutants and monsters, and toyetic stuff like the Technodrome looks great.

No. It wasn't. It was shit. Shitty animation, bad writing by freelancers just looking for a check, shat out as cheaply and lazily as possible to sell children toys. 80s cartoons and not good and never were. If you believe a soulless toy commercial was art, you are either deeply retarded or deeply delusional.

That was the whole point of the original turtles. They were edgy mary sues used to satire the early wave of grimdark comics.

Are TMNT fans just windowlicker retards across the board or what?

But the entire point was that the 03 turtles were being assholes. Splinter literally told them to stop acting like jerks to the 80s turtles and start treating them with respect, and the Prime turtles ended up liking them over the 03 turtles.

>If you believe a soulless toy commercial was art, you are either deeply retarded or deeply delusional.
At what point does something stop being a toy commercial and become art? Is The Dark Knight not art because it has toys? Is TMNT 2003 not art because it has toys? Is Scott Pilgrim not art because it has toys? Is Char's Counterattack not art because it has toys? Is Pulp Fiction not art because it has toys?
All of these things could be called "toy commercials", that doesn't make them less "artistic".
I don't like '87 either but your argument here is deeply flawed.

Because Peter Laird never liked the 87 show. Mostly because he was too busy to have any input, and he hated what the show was like.