>“Picture this long line of fathers and sons stretching from Adam all the way down to Andy. Now, they're all passing down this punch, from one generation to the next, father to son, and the trick is to pass on a softer punch. Your father passed on a softer punch.” -God the devil and Bob
Would you say Clay passed on a softer punch?
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Yes. I never understood the argument that he was worse than his wife.
He had suppressed his mental issues all his life and it comes out with the alcohol. That makes him a broken person, not fundamentally evil.. Bloberta is more of a genuinely bad person imo.
>Literally shot his son
No
>Yes. I never understood the argument that he was worse than his wife.
> Bloberta is more of a genuinely bad person imo.
Isn’t that a contradiction?
I don’t think Clay nor Bloberta were fundamentally bad people but they let their problems and bad experiences shape them into the worst version of themselves and both took their frustration out on their innocent son
>Isn’t that a contradiction?
No?
>isn’t that a contradiction?
>No?
Ok
why do you think Bloberta it’s a genuinely bad person? Would you say the same about Clay, why or why not?
>why do you think Bloberta it’s a genuinely bad person?
It's more of just in comparison. She was seen acting like a shit in flashbacks and got him into drinking.
>Would you say the same about Clay, why or why not?
I just didn't like the point about "alcohol making your nature come out" like it's somehow more meaningful than what you do with your inhibition. I'm also not a big fan of how exactly Dino (would have) handled the conflict with Arthur.
Maybe all this just hits too close to home. The episodes definitely do.
>'m also not a big fan of how exactly Dino (would have) handled the conflict with Arthur.
Do tell! I am interested in hearing other opinions
So, about the whole Arthur things, the only thing I know it’s that he’d come back and would’ve become a positive influence on Orel, which I kind of like the direction where they were going with this.
The fishy subject it’s how they’ll execute the concept, what would Clay reaction be? Would he forgive him? If not how will his decision be handled and portrayed by the show?
Like I said I like the concept, I think it portrays that people can change but it doesn’t absolve their bad actions which have a long last impact even after your death.
The complicated subject it’s how they handle Clay’s feelings in the narrative
Because if he doesn’t forgive I am afraid of how the show would handle that decision, Would they portray it as something bad or as something that could be understandable?
What about you? What worries you about that plot?
>about the whole Arthur things, the only thing I know it’s that he’d come back and would’ve become a positive influence on Orel, which I kind of like the direction where they were going with this.
Arthur blaming a child for his wife's death and fucking up his psyche for life is just so incredibly fucked up, it just feels weird for that to be portrayed positively at all. Part of it is "blaming" Clay on becoming who he is for denying responsibility but obviously, what kid would take responsibility? Some of this is projection on my part.
>what would Clay reaction be? Would he forgive him? If not how will his decision be handled and portrayed by the show?
Dino said that Clay wouldn't forgive him to show that he was petty and that just seems off. I don't think many would forgive him.
It's really hard to tell. I don't have much of a basis to dislike it. Just feels like a weird place to go.
>Dino said that Clay wouldn't forgive him to show that he was petty and that just seems off
Fuck, really? Do you have the source where he says that? It may sound weird for me to says this, but if Clay hadn’t forgive him I was hoping the show wouldn’t portray it as something inherently bad, because it’s no one obligation to forgive someone, so I agree with you.
The storyline just seems interesting to me, seeing someone who was previously abusive realize the damage they have done and try to mend things even a little bit yet realizing that one last actions still have negative consequences and see how the other would characters would react to the situation, it sounds good as a concept what’s tricky it’s the execution.
Like having Arthur admit he did wrong and made damaged he didn’t see coming, and attempt to be better and Clay being unable to forgive him seems good and an interesting storytelling, right?
But then you have the tricky parts like how would you portray this change of heart and how would Arthur, Orel and Clay (and therebefore the show) address this topics? I Believe there is a delicate line in which they could make this work or not work
From the Wiki.
Not from Dino, my bad.
>From the Wiki.
>Not from Dino, my bad
It’s Ok!
What’s your opinion on the whole grandpa moves with the puppingtons plot?
>What’s your opinion on the whole grandpa moves with the puppingtons plot?
I don't really know.
>I don't really know.
That’s Ok.
Do you have other opinions about the show, plots or characters?
For example What’s your favorite character? Favorite Episode? Something you wish it had appeared in the show?
>For example my favorite episode from the show it’s “Sacrifice”
>My favorite character it’s Orel
> And I wish the show would have had delved more into Orel’s character growth and how he matures through the story, because due the show’s cancellation we could only see how he ended up but not how he got there. I guess that’s why I would have liked to see how his grandpa’s plot line would have played out, maybe by placing Orel in different scenarios, it would have help him grow
Not right now, user.
No
I don't get why anyone want to put the blame game on a single character. It was a calamity of fuck ups leaking out their hidden colors. Also no, it was the hardest punch to get orel out of that hellscape.
Agreed
>it was the hardest punch to get orel out of that hellscape.
Sorry, I don’t understand what you meant with the phrasing
>She was seen acting like a shit in flashbacks and got him into drinking.
Reacting to negative incentives. Her family were jerks to her because of her singing voice (or rather lack of one), and her insecurities were fueled by all the other folks getting married.
The way I see it she was making the exact same level of bad decision as other the other newlyweds in the episode in which she meets Clay. She just happened to stumble into a particularly dysfunctional individual, and... instead of move on, she chooses to stay, to get hurt, and hurt clay in turn.
Its been a while since I've seen Moral Orel, but I half swear some of the other brides to be in that episode were people who've shown up in the series proper... But maybe I'm just getting wires crossed with one of the other lost episodes.
What the fuck dude
It’s Zig Forums
Don’t reply if you’re not gonna say anything
If you need attention about personal stuff see a therapist
>Oral turns into a Christian Goth
that's kinda hot.
>Lost Episodes
Eh, maybe it's for the best they didn't get a chance to go through with this part of the show. Dumping the blame for his mother's death solely on Clay, when it was clear that his mother obviously wasn't in her right mind after her miscarriages wouldn't have felt right.
>>Oral turns into a Christian Goth
>that's kinda hot.
How so?
>maybe it's for the best they didn't get a chance to go through with this part of the show.
Yeah, there’s always a chance the show could ruin some of it’s narrative had the show had continued beyond it did.
Someone claimed to have the script of a lost moral orel episode:
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It’s the second person who claims that’s one of the lost scripts, I’ll take it with a grain of salt, but it’s interesting to read and it’s in line with one of the synopsis of the lost episode
Clay and Bloberta were two dysfunctional, lonely people who got together out of convenience and stayed together as their religion tells them to. They never improved as people and just let their problems fester. The fact that Orel grows up happy is the miracle everyone in Moralton seems to overlook.
Adult Swim deserves to burn in hell for cutting the last season short. This show was sublime.
>The fact that Orel grows up happy
I want to know how Orel got there, and against what he had to go against to achieve happiness.
I wonder if he ever fall or if he ever struggled as his father and if he did,
I wonder how he got back up.
We know he ended happy but what happened in between? How did those experience ended up shaping him? How was his adolescence like? How would Orel be as a parent to his children?
>Clay and Bloberta
>They never improved as people and just let their problems fester.
Do you think it would be possible for them to go their separate ways, heal and get better?
Like his father? Never. I'm sure Orel had problems along the way, but we've seen how he dealt with problems as a kid. He got through them. It'd have been the little things that'd be hard, if anything. He accepted as a teen his father was a horrible father, so it's not hard to know what NOT to do, and doing the opposite on the big stuff, but it'd be the little details, the neglect from two people fixated on themselves that might trip him up. He might freeze up when one of his kids actually does something that should be punished the first few times because he has no gauge on what reasonable discipline would look like.