How come the reaction to this was "ban all superheroes" and not "execute all super-villains"? Nitro was the one who fucking blew up and killed all those kids, and he had been imprisoned multiple times but kept escaping due to the government's incompetence. Just give the death sentence to any superhuman criminal once they reach a certain threshold.
How come the reaction to this was "ban all superheroes" and not "execute all super-villains"...
Because maybe, just maybe, Mark Millar is retard who can’t write for shit?
because Mark Millar is a bad writer
and let's not forget Nitro only blew up that big because he was on drugs supplied by Damage Control who were deliberately making bigger disasters to cash in on the clean-up
For the record, here's Millar's original instigating incident for Civil War.
>The issue opens, as discussed, with a small-scale superhero involved into a big action set-piece where all the jokes and the acrobatics get punctured by a stray bullet going right through a little kid. At the moment I’d like the hero to be Speedball and the kid in question, if such a kid exists, should be the son of Tony’s buddy Happy Hogan.
it's simultaneously more and less edgy than what we ended up with, how does he do it
Because Millar is a fucking retard
Dude, the whole comic is stupid, you can't legally go to a crime scene wearing and refuse to identify yourself to the authorities, you can't invade a guy private property and brutally beat them and their friends up, superheroes are already illegal.
The story has a good premise of the public and government cracking down on superheroes but when you start realizing that heroes are fighting heroes and Tony is using the Thunderbolts, a team of villains led by Norman Osborne, to hunt down heroes then it starts to fall apart. Villains should've been wiped out before heroes became a target. Then again they got invaded by Skrulls and then Norman ran the world with villains on the government's payroll. Wild times all around.
To be fair, Namorita was written as a fucking retard, and what happened was partly her fault.
Stopping Nitro just in front of a school? Stupid.
Threatening Allahuu Ackbar Man instead of actually knocking him out? Criminally stupid.
>Threatening Allahuu Ackbar Man instead of actually knocking him out?
Speaking of which, wasn’t this comic supposed to be a commentary on the response to the war on terror at the time?
>Just give the death sentence to any superhuman criminal once they reach a certain threshold
I hope you realize how self-defeating that actually sounds.
Part of the problem is that Millar treated the New Warriors as a "loser" team who were in over their heads rather than as established pros who had saved the world multiple times. Notice how Nitro says "You're playing with the big boys now", because clearly the New Warriors have never faced powerful villains before. The Sphinx? Who's that?
>the US government has never used criminals and murderers for their own gain
ok
I'll be the one to go ahead and say it - the MCU handled it better.
I mean if you want to ignore everything else I said in my post including the part where villains were largely ignored and it was just the heroes getting hunted down then go for it user.
I get the point you're trying to make, but even if I accept your premise about US soldiers, the government can control soldiers. The government can't crontrol super-villains, they're unwilling and will fuck things up at the first opportunity.
The MCU handled it better partly in the sense they had an idea of which characters would be doing what. Civil War comes off like it was conceived and approved by people whose only awareness of the New Warriors came from that miniseries with the reality-show premise.
user, I'm pretty fucking sure those ain't US soldiers
There's a difference between regular criminals/murderers, and criminals/murderers with superpowers. You can disarm a criminal/murderer but what about criminals/murderers whose powers are part of them and have a history of escaping from prison on a regular basis?
Those aren't US soldiers retard, I think they're the contras.
Because Millar was taking the piss on stupid americans who make stupid decisions.
Jesus this feels like someone on this joyless board wrote it.
that was kind of the overall problem with Civil War. No one fucking knew what the SRA actually said, including Millar
this iteration of the New Warriors were relatively nobodies. The only experienced members of the team were speedball and namorita IIRC. Microbe and debrii were over their heads, plus it was for their reality show, so they weren't going for efficiency, but rather theatrics.
Because there was more context to this than just this one event, despite how it's framed.
There was the Winter Soldier going nuts a bit before this and a couple of other highly-visible super hero fuck ups.
The whole gist is that this event made it clear that there were a lot of situations where heroes without any training are being called to handle situations that more experienced heroes ought to handle.
It's a bit like the 9/11 incident with The Boys' Seven. The fuck up isn't JUST that terrorists tried to hijack a plane but that the people that were sent to handle the issue only made it worse
Well that’s because it was an in name only adaptation, and there’s a dude setting up the plot because he’s pissed at the Avengers.
>comparing the good anons of Zig Forums to Mark fucking Millar
How fucking dare you
Ah, I see, my bad.
Yes, the US government is happy to hire criminals to do horrible things somewhere else, but not on US soil.
I think it when people in the company had different views about what was in the SRA.
>New Warriors
>heroes without any training
Fuck off, just fuck off
Seems like a pretty basic piece of writing for your event, but it is clear no one did it.
Which is a completely different point than the one made
lmao who cares about super villains they're just stupid idiots.
You have to realize that part of this was setting up the Marvel U to be Hollywood script bait which included militarizing the Avengers and drastically reducing the strangeness of the Marvel U by scaling back supervillains, among other moves. This is where 'every villain we're not using sudden;y becomes a Bendis-written mook." really got started.
Don't you know it's now considered activism Incorrect not to blame Israel all if it's exactly against Israel's interest when the US commits International crimes.
The iteration of the new warriors at the time didn't have any of their experienced heroes bar speedball/namorita. Nova? Justice? firestar? none of those guys were part of the team at that time.
Most of them were nobodies, this wasnt the 90s team.
The team in Civil War is
Night Thrasher
Speedball
Namorita
Microbe
Microbe is the only guy who's "new".
Are you telling me one of these 'cheer at the Shazan clinical depression cut" people wouldn't come up with "What if a stupid hero was doing flips and quips like a silly billy who doesn't understand how dark this world is and a little boy gets shot because of it, and that little boy was iron man's nephew."
Nova was part of the team in the miniseries, he just left Earth right before Civil War. Seriously, you didn't know that? Speedball says right in the first issue of Civil War that Nova left for space.
he's not on the team when they're in Stamford, though
You're talking about the tourist Snyder shills?
I said "good anons of Zig Forums", you didn't specify which group of retards you're talking about.
No one that doesn't deserve it should be compared to Millar
But Night Thrasher, Namorita, and Speedball were. All three of them were on the team since the 90's.
Civil War wants you to believe the New Warriors got brain damaged and forgot their experience so that they could do something extremely stupid and accidentally cause the deaths of innocents.
Civil War wants you to believe literally every superhero got brain damaged, the New Warriors just happened to show up first
I'm talking about the people on this board and in nerddom in general who, for whatever reason, unironically hate joy.
The people who constantly, constantly bitch that all heroes aren't, I guess, the Punisher, that there are different ideas and takes on the concept of 'superhero' and the idea that maybe it's okay to have a swashbuckling hero do what swashbuckling heroes do.
The point of my joke, which you've p successfully plowed into the ground so hard it'll sprout wheat next season, is that Millair is not dissimilar to this certain type of fandom character we're all aware exists and has made a lot of noise recently.
Honestly a smaller scale accident that makes it personal for Tony makes more sense. Dude has blinders on when it comes to damaged loved ones.
>a negative zone prison
>putting shock collars to criminals and using them as attack dogs
what else are you wilfully ignoring.
Comic writers, as much as they like depicting fist fights and power fantasies, don't actually like taking violence seriously, nor depicting it in a serious matter. Well, that, and writers not wanting to have finite story lines, and not wanting to have to create new villains.
Well that goes without saying.
in what universe is "a kid gets shot" less joyful than "an entire school gets blown up"
The sad thing is this horse shit from Millar was still more believable than the Bendis's trash in CW2.
Because it's not a good story