SONY is looking to expand the Spidey deal into a two way deal. They want Avengers to cameo in their Sony-Verse movies.
Of great interest is Cap (Sam of course), Captain Marvel (Sony currently believes she is still gonna be the next face of the MCU), and Ms. Marvel.
Concept art for Sinister Six shows Spider-Man fighting the villain group at the Statue of Liberty alongside SamCap and Ms. Marvel. Both Cap and Kamala were in their All-New All-Different costumes since Sony has next to no insider knowledge on where the MCU is going. These plans/requests are absolutely one-sided. The only reason they knew more than a vague outline about the Blip and Endgame in general for Morbius (both will apparently be referenced if allowed, aware of what was later agreed on, if anything) was because the information was relevant to Far From Home. At the time of involvement, Sony was unsure how much they could reference the MCU, not even sure if the same Spider-Man suit was allowed to be used across studios (they were clear to originally not explicitly call the MCU and SUMC “franchises”) because the Homecoming/Far From Home suits are MCU iconography.
One proposal for the Venom franchise that never got beyond an internal pitch was having the Guardians in a cold open for one of the movies. Not even a plan or outline, just an expression of having them somehow involved. I can only assume the same thing happened when Blade was announced.
I have no spoilers or leaks that matter, it doesn’t matter if they are believed or not, because none of these proposals will come to fruition. I’m not sure if the Snap or “Blip” will even get a direct reference, but they did seem to believe they could bare minimum call it “what happened five years ago.”
Also, I am unsure if Kevin had any real involvement with the SUMC as rumored, but if he did, it’s likely the same type of “here are details to not contradict the MCU“ as early Agents of SHIELD or Netflix.
It’s nearly the exact same situation as Marvel TV and Studios. TV was always begging for more movie characters and only got Fury and I think Sif like once or twice? Except TV had no characters to strong arm them with. Sony is very much operating under the assumption being able to take Spidey back will get Kevin to reference SUMC movies as MCU canon, let them use MCU characters, as well as straight up oversee SUMC movies as if they were Marvel Studios movies. I have zero insight on the Studios side of this other than general dismissal of Sony’s requests.
Grayson Long
Them using ANAD costume designs for concept art is hilarious. It’s like a child trying to draw their deadbeat dad based on the picture they found crumpled up in mom’s dresser.
Hudson Long
>buy Spidey back 6B? Marvel should cancel all Spider-Man and push Rick Jones or whatever instead
Jose Foster
But the question of the day is what will be the first spidey film to show Holland? Guess Venom 3. I hope Feige works on the Sinister sex movie.
Hunter Foster
I wish we could go like 10-15 years straight with no Spider-Man media except ASM. I'm so fucking sick of everyone shitting on the franchise and character due to all the mishandling.
Nolan Richardson
At least Marvel TV had reason to believe Marvel Studios would treat them as canon. Publicly, we know they got to make a show based on a TV character, a movie character played by a big actor in the second episode (Fury), let them sign the actors onto Studios production contracts (such as Chole having a clause in her original contract to appear in a film as Daisy), as well as feeding them all the major spoilers in Seasons 1 and 2. Say what you will about AoS quality wise, but it was almost an abusive relationship between TV and Studios. Sony meanwhile is delusional in some respects.
Cameron Rogers
When Disney first bought Marvel they were preparing to spend billions buying all the film rights back.
Ike Perlmutter told them not to. Why did they need mutants when they had Inhumans?
Asher Cox
And now the Square Avengers game has to use Inhumans in a role clearly meant for mutants.
Same thing happened in Agents of SHIELD and the NaziCap arc.
Cooper Moore
It's fascinating to wonder how far Feige and the evidently successful MCU formula will go to tolerate Sony's bullshit.
Lucas Peterson
It’s also interesting to see how Sony is like a weird off brand MCU.
Marvel’s formula scores them 70s to 96s on Rotten Tomatoes. They make sure they’re actors a squeaky clean and manipulate the Twitter mob when they do something stupid.
Meanwhile Sony can’t make a hit, Venom felt like a Walmart MCU movie, and the Jared Leto accusations are a powder keg that somehow hasn’t gone off, but certainly will.
Sebastian Wood
They made Venom a quipbot just to emulate every generic MCU protagonist
How many actual superheroes do they own? And how many without Spider in the name?
Angel Richardson
>They made Venom a quipbot just to emulate every generic MCU protagonist Actually read some of the 1990s Venom comics. It wasn't an incorrect take on him.
>How many actual superheroes do they own? And how many without Spider in the name? Literally any characters that debuted in a Spider-Man comic, with the exceptions of Cloak & Dagger. Plus every version of Spider-Woman, though most of them did not debut in Spider-Man books.
Caleb Myers
Not who you're talking to, but according to those leaked emails, they own about 700-ish Marvel characters, albeit most of them are basically generic "John Smith, laywer who appeared as Peter's attorney in Amazing Spider-Man Issue #XYZ". General rule of thumb is basically that they own the film rights to Spidey, his entire notable rogues gallery and his entire supporting cast.
Henry Cruz
Was that take on Venom good though? Honestly asking.
David Brown
Based on OP’s accounts, Sony is the kind to wait for Marvel to accidentally use a Joe the Hotdog vendor from a Spidey comic and threaten to sue them if they don’t let them use an Avenger.
Owen Thomas
The whole Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver thing between Fox and Marvel still blows my mind
Owen Barnes
Will they retcon the twins back into being mutants in 616 now?
Though maybe not since mutants tend get lumped in as X-Men even if they were never on the team.
Blake Adams
>concept art So you gonna post it OP, or what?
Ian Sanchez
Better question, will they make Ms. Marvel a mutant in the MCU? Since mainstream association with Inhumans is a failed ABC show?
Hunter Anderson
Nah, probably continue with the magic route for SW. Since that's were the movie version is going down
Alexander Scott
So correct me if I'm wrong, but the film rights scenario following the Marvel garage sale was
>Sony Spider-Man and his associated cast minus Cloak & Dagger, Ghost Rider
>Fox The X-Family, Fantastic Four and Daredevil
>New Line Blade, the Punisher, Venom and the other symbiotes pre-Sony
>Universal Hulk's solo movies, She-Hulk, Namor
They sell off any others?
Landon Collins
Not saying I believe OP, but if they were a worker or a contractor, they probably wouldn’t be in a situation to take a pic. Even with legitimate leaks, concept art leaks almost never happen.
Samuel Murphy
New Line also had Iron Man. Studios bought him and used the film rights as collateral. If Iron Man failed, it would’ve gone back.
Universal is distribution only, not rights per say. It seems She-Hulk wasn’t sold or digital series don’t count (there was a rumor of a Hulk show in 2012 unconnected to the MCU but made by Marvel, so it seems like it’s a very literal deal where they get any Marvel movie with Hulk in the title). Not even Kevin is sure on Namor based on an interview.
Dylan Nelson
It's eerie how many things went right for Feige. Truly a master of unlocking.
Jordan Morris
Yeah, and Ike Perlmutter is the fucker who SOLD the rights in the first place. Hell, the fucking asshole tried literally giving ALL of Marvel to Sony when they first came looking for a character to grab their rights to.
Wyatt Young
>Will they retcon the twins back into being mutants in 616 now? Quicksilver is still struggling to find a new gimmick, but that retcon basically saved Wanda from a lot of toxic baggage, undoing it is only going to harm her.
Trying to insert the concept of mutants into the MCU this far in feels like a terrible idea, and one that could kill the MCU if it does a hard tonal shift into X-Men vs evil bigoted humans stories. If they want to introduce Inhuman characters but not make them Inhumans, they should just get their powers from some kind of science, chemical or radiation accident.
Sebastian Cook
show the concept art
Jason Moore
everything always and the cosmic wonder i know yall bitch asses see this fuckin bums
Lincoln Reyes
the jew got jewed
Lucas Williams
At this point I feel like Wanda is immune to synergy, or has anti-synergy or something.
Isaac Davis
Thor rights were initially at Sony, but then Marvel got them back during the time they were trying to get Marvel Studios off the ground.
Captain America was almost sold to WB before someone had the idea to do Marvel Studios.
New Line had Venom initially but it lapsed and went over to Sony in time for Spider-Man 3. They also had Deadpool in the early 00's but it didn't go anywhere. Fox got it in time for X-Men Origins.
Iron Man was at Universal during the early 90's for a while then Fox got the rights in 1996. Then Fox sold the rights to New Line in December 1999 because they had too many Marvel projects to try and work on.
Black Panther was at Sony/Colombia at first, I think.
Christian Brown
Some early casting lists called for Maximus as the villain and Black Bolt and Medusa, so it looks like they're just ignoring the TV show
Tyler Harris
Literally the only one on this list that's any good is Spiderverse and it's fucking crossed out.
