Wait so you’re telling me Order 66 being chips implanted in the Clones was a retcon and not the original idea?

Your retcons don't count as the original intentions, Fagloni.
>dood it's like, a fucking biochip, like a chip, but like, made up of genes and it's in the genes and like doooooooooood orange buttcheeks hahahaahaha
Fuck off niggertard.

In the end, the clones turned out to be merely robots, made of flesh and sinews instead of metal and silicon.

that's what it makes it heartbreaking though, all the friendships they made means nothing compared to their orders that's what they were bred for

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Honestly current version make more sense

Both make sense in the context they were made.
In Episode 2-3 I always assumed the clones were just mindless killing machines just following orders. So it didn't shock my retarded teenage ass when they started going trigger happy for Sheev.

The Clone Wars cartoons revealed they had feelings, motivations, etc beyond following orders. The chips were necessary with this retcon or else it doesn't make sense how so many of them quickly turned against their Jedi friends when looking at what we saw in Episode 3.

The clone wars cartoon was shit but that user is right

That image is kind of dumb when pretty much every named commando squad went against order 66 in the old EU though

no that's literally just something you've been trying to force as a meme for like a week now OP

fucking die, Traviss

ofc they never questioned orders or they'd have saved Sev you mongoloidian

But they literally questioned the orders to not go back for Sev and all three were fucked up having to leave for the sake of the operation to liberate Kasshyk.

Delta Squad in the old Canon also went against order 66

As a kid I always figured the Emperor built it into their genetics to obey his commands.

A chip with a obscure order seems like something that could have been far more easily discovered. Apparently Order 66 was in a publicly accessible book of orders by the supreme chancellor wtf.

With the chip retcon, my headcanon now Order 65 was his fallback plan if Padme/the Jedi actually managed to get him out of office.

I always assumed it was a "would you kindly" type thing. the clones were all imprinted with this trigger word at creation and had no idea until it was uttered by a specific voice.

You know if they would have to have the actual indoctrination at some point to make the clones able to go through with all the shit they needed to be able to do, how the fuck did it go unnoticed. What the fuck was Shak Ti doing on Kamino if not for the purpose of inspecting the actual training process to make sure there wasn't some nefarious shit going on behind the scenes.

>"And this is the room where the Clones listen to Chancellor Palpatine saying "Execute Order 66" on loudspeaker whi;st viewing gruesome footage of each Jedi Master being murdered. The clones then receive large injections of dopamine directly to their brain"
>"Yeah, cool, this looks up to code"

Get that Karen Traviss shit out of your head. Literally every Jedi we saw leading his or her troops in TCW showed them respect. Yoda and Plo Koon even go out of their way to nail in the audiences heads that the Jedi see the clones as individuals and not cannon fodder. Krell was the exception because he fell to the dark side and was planning on defecting to the Sith.

It was Lucas's idea and even if it wasn't Lucas had to approve it. You can't even go "muh mouse" because the biochips were canonized before the Disney buyout.

It still makes perfect sense, in fact I'd argue it makes it even more tragic that despite how close they got that since they were literally engineered, bred and raised to follow orders without question that they'd turn on their friends. Making it magic fucking chips takes every ounce of nuance and complexity out of it. If Anakin could turn on his friends and turn into space Hitler then what's so unrealistic about people that were literally bred to do so doing it without a stupid fucking chip?

Prequel trilogy>All other trilogys

Fight me

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The characterization Clone Wars gave to all the prequel characters vastly diverge from their original portrayal in the prequel movies. It's good, for the most part, because it makes them actual characters with some semblance of personality and character. But when it came time to sync it back up with the prequels' telling of events, it began to run into problems.

The depiction of the clone troopers in the movie was to enable a guilt-free galactic war; a class of beings built from the bottom up to be picture-perfect goons and cannon fodder. They had discipline and obedience quite literally bred into them, and were born en masse to compensate huge losses in battle. They were unquestioning, unflinching, impersonal, efficient, and ultimately, disposable. The jedi were portrayed as being courteous but never personable, and when the order came down it was completely believable that these drone-people would turn their guns against the people they once served under without a twinge of guilt.

Clone Wars made them personable. They all had names and personality. They distinguished themselves with decorations and haircuts and tattoos. They bantered, argued, bonded, joked. They questioned the ways of things, had doubts, fears, hesitations. These clone troopers were brothers forced into a war, not bio-engineered warbots. It was a lot harder to swallow that they'd silently go alone with order 66 the way it was portrayed.

The original Battlefront 2 gave a very good depiction of a clone trooper's thoughts while executing order 66, since the game had only the movies to work off of.
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There's virtue to either version. The chips victimize the clones as much as the Jedi, which was a running theme through the Clone Wars series. They'd spent the whole war convincing themselves they weren't just tools, but ultimately that's what they were and there was nothing they could do about it.

not him but it is still a retcon. AOTC heavily implies/states they are bred to follow orders. Order 66 was an order coming from the very top, doesn’t matter how good of pals they made with the Jedi.

...and the chip is organic. That in no way conflicts with "bred to follow orders."

>It was Lucas's idea and even if it wasn't Lucas had to approve it.
And...?
What's with Star Wars fans and treating George as a messiah whose word must always be the ultimate choice.

user was blaming Filoni. Up your reading comprehension, buddy.

The chip retcon also remove the subjacent plot of the jedi being complacent and decadent.
The jedi got used to the clones, came to believe that the clones obeyed them, when in truth they were indoctrinated to obey the republic/supreme chancellor and so they gunned the jedi down without fuss, their real loyalties lied with Palpatine, not the jedi.
The chip remove the whole question of loyalty, it just turn them in killbots.

yeah it does. When you put a chip in a dog you don’t say the dog was bred with the chip in it, he was chipped after birth.