The more I think about it, the more I think that Tangled The Series' handling of Zhan Tiri is one of the major reasons that Season 3 feels like a letdown compared to the previous two. The scheming evil loli was fun at first, but as things kept going on I got more and more tired of her, and I think at this point I would genuinely rather have had a horrifying Eldritch abomination, like he/she was always hinted to be. It would have been something different for a Disney property, and it would have better fit the "Lovecraft for kids" vibe that the show gives off when it's at its best.
The more I think about it...
David Russell
Oliver Hernandez
Cassandra should be in prison.
Jayden Taylor
>Tangled The Series' handling of Zhan Tiri
She also was an easy scape goat to excuse all of Cassandra actions
Lincoln Jenkins
Like Cassandra wasn’t even scolded and Rapunzel was the one who had to comfort her just she after was trying to kill her just a moment ago
Luke Harris
Benjamin Flores
That too.
Honestly, Cass should have just been self-motivated. We didn't need a shoulder devil whispering in her ear. "Crossing The Line" is a PERFECT explanation for her motivation for turning evil, and we didn't need a tempter for her to push her further, and we didn't need the stupid Gothel backstory. I'd argue that it makes Cass weaker as a villain, not stronger, because it makes her seem like a dupe who gets fooled.
Cass should have just been self-motivated. She should have been her own evil boss, and THEN Zhan Tiri should have shown up at the end as an unrelated final monster that Cass and Raps have to put their differences aside to face.
Austin Scott
This
Juan Jones
God that ticked me off. And Cass only came back to the light side after she lost the source of her power. She sacrificed nothing when she made that choice.
And why the hell did Varian do time in the slammer for kidnapping the queen, but when Cass attacked and overthrew the entire goddamn kingdom she was not only not punished, but got a group hug as a reward?
You might know the answer to this more than anyone else here. Did everyone have such a boner for Cass that any consequences for her actions were deemed unnecessary?
Also Onyx looks pretty neat
Logan Ross
All of what I'm about to type is heresay because I came on for season 2 and wasn't there for the whole development process, ***ALSO none of this is true and my dad works for Nintendo****but iirc Cass wasn't supposed to get redeemed. I think she was supposed to die and for it to be kind of sad that she destroyed herself. The guys in charge of this series were obsessed with star wars though (which is why every character has daddy issues) so I think they wanted to go for the "well she did bad things but REALLY outside forces made her evil."
I don't really remember though. I just remember reading season 3 scripts and being disappointed with what ended up happening. "enchanted girl" wasn't planned from the beginning. ***Also this is bullshit and I am LARPing
and thanks, I hope it does well because I think it's really good
Owen Phillips
Also if you ask me, Kind Fred was the real villain
Blake Brown
>Introduce an unspeakable evil with deep ties to all the characters
>Have her float around causing minor mischief instead of any true mayhem
I feel like there's a name for this
Wyatt Ward
"Wasted potential"
Christian Gray
No worries, we all know you're just some lying internet rando.
>every character had daddy issues
You know, I never realized that until just now. All three of them. Huh.
>obsessed with star wars
Apparently not obsessed enough.
God, they could have just ripped off Vader's ending from the originals: Zhan Tiri is about to ice Raps but Cass gives up her powers and her life to save her, and she dies happy in Punzie's arms saying "You were right about me all along"
Or just ripped off Anakin's ending from the prequels: she does something that finally, actually proves she's Crossed the Line and has Nothing Left to Lose, goes full blown irredeemable baddy, and eats herself alive in her lust for power, causing her own (Dibney channel safe) doom
Either of those would've have been thrilling. Although I'm Monday Morning Quarterbacking pretty hard right now.
Wasn't Kind Fred sort of the main antagonist for Season 1?
Wyatt Harris
Tangled really is Wasted Potential: The Series. I still love it for a lot of reasons, but tweaks and different network guidance could have made it great.
Anthony Flores
Especially because when the show is at its best, when it's REALLY GOOD, it's towering. This includes both the heavy moments AND the lighthearted moments. So many of the slice-of-life episodes in Season 1 are fucking fantastic. So is the genuine terror and hurt that happens in Season 2. This show could do bright and sunny but it could also do dark and grim. It's one of the only animated series in the last couple of years I've seen that could master both tones. In that way it feels EXTREMELY Disney, because at its best Disney has always been able to walk those dual lines of bright and cheerful but also grim and dark.
But in Season 3 it all comes undone. It IS disappointing, even if I still like the show overall.
Zachary Richardson
She should keep her loli form at the end
Ayden Ross
>iirc Cass wasn't supposed to get redeemed. I think she was supposed to die and for it to be kind of sad that she destroyed herself
Jesus. I know the memes but that would have been rough
Kayden Martinez
Caleb Wilson
The problem with Cass' choices in 3 is that it doesn't feel like Cass' choices
She turns into such an aggro faggot and is led around like a sucker when she should have seen through Zhan Tiri's act. She drops the compelling anger she has over feeling suffocated in Rapunzel's shadow and latches onto the ridiculous mommy issues stuff for way too much of the runtime
That stretch at the start of the season where she spends multiple episodes doing FUCK ALL is really frustrating, especially in hindsight knowing it didn't really amount to a super payoff. Revenge is pretty good and extremely well crafted, and that animation quality is one thing that never really faltered imo (with the exception of Zhan Tiri's final form being gay af), but the writing hit a cow and derailed
Nolan Nelson
Thomas Richardson
>God that ticked me off. And Cass only came back to the light side after she lost the source of her power
This^
William Russell
>nd why the hell did Varian do time in the slammer for kidnapping the queen, but when Cass attacked and overthrew the entire goddamn kingdom she was not only not punished, but got a group hug as a reward?
Good question!
Tyler Murphy
Based gookchads
Christopher James
>You can see how her dreams and hopes escape from her hands.
Good shit.
Logan Allen
Cassandra... hates her breasts, since they are constant reminders of her femininity. Like two positive magnetic charges, her status as a woman repels Rapunzel no matter how hard she tries.
Gabriel James
Nah, just the ending was a wasted potential. The series was good.
Jeremiah Clark
>handling of Zhan Tiri is one of the major reasons that Season 3 feels like a letdown
That's right, they should've explored her thirst to satisfy her basic instincts
Adrian Garcia
>Tangled really is Wasted Potential: The Series
I remember how someone used tangled and Cassandra as an example to bash on steven universe: Future about how to make a “good” narrative that dealt with themes of abuse.The whole conversation was about how someone thought Steven was acting as an ass and “abusive” for yelling at Pink’s pearl diamond and all I could think about it’s, man really? Are you using Tangled as a good example? When they did the almost the same mistakes Steven universe future did, but while I could stan steven and understand why he acted the way he did and at least on su:future at least they showed he was suffering psychologically by what he was doing since the beginning of the series and you can kind of “explain” his outburst by saying he had Ptds and that Rose/Pink related stuffs were his Tiggers, when compared To Tangled and Cassandra, she honestly did seemed to be throwing a child’s tantrum, the influence the moon stone had on her was barely if not mentioned at all, Zhan tiri and Gothel’s character was there so she had an excuse to act irrational and horrible to Raps and after everything she did, she received zero consequences for everything she did, the narrative was almost exactly like Steven universe future, And playing the devil’s advocate at least with Steven you can say Steven never intended to hurt anyone, and you could even said that he was 16 and still a teenager meanwhile Cass was a full grown adult of approximately 24 years old and she willingly tried to kill Eugene and Rapunzel, hurt his father emotionally father emotionally, (the person who loved unconditionally) started to act to Rapunzel exactly like Gothel used to and even had the nerves to blame her (the one person who got the most negatively affected by Gothel’s selfish actions) for everything bad Gothel did and for everything bad that ever happened to her
Cooper Evans
You could tell something was off when virtually everything about Zhan Tiri in S3 contradicts all the information we've learned about her (or rather him) through the course of the series.
First of all, the previous two seasons repeatedly refer to Zhan Tiri as a warlock, the male equivalent to a witch. Yet throughout the entirety of season 3, Zhan Tiri is universally portrayed as a female.
Following that, why is she/he powerless until acquiring the Sundrop and Moonstone's power for her/himself? How does the Sun and Moon's powers clashing result in freeing Zhan Tiri from interdimensional exile?
Even the design of Zhan Tiri's true form is inconsistent to what's been shown to us in past seasons.
Jose Flores
This is literally the only thing I've seen of this show and I have no idea what it means in context
Nathaniel Gray
>Uh, lady, you are too young *and* too old for me