Should they have gone with the original idea of destroying Arendelle's castle at the end of Frozen 2?
What about killing off Elsa? (Even if it's never been confirmed they ever intended to do so)
From a narrative standpoint, do you think any of these two changes would have improved the movie or did they make the right choice by cutting them?
Should they have gone with the original idea of destroying Arendelle's castle at the end of Frozen 2?
I think they should have at least destroyed the castle, make at least one other big change to Arendelle aside from changing queens.
what would destroying the castle even accomplish?
at least with the final script, I don't see it working as a payoff to anything
Sure, it's a good question
While killing off Elsa, Olaf, and Arendelle would have made for a stronger narrative, it would be marketing suicide and it still wouldn't make Frozen II a worthwhile production.
I assume a previous draft would have revealed more about the castle
Wasn't there a deleted scene with a secret room even?
Yes
There was also an old script on which Mattias wasn't trapped in the forest and Anna and Elsa go ask him about some stuff and they find in the castle, so yes, there was definitely more stuff going on with the castle in previous versions of the movie
Being dead is at least better than randomly abandoning her home and people for no reason.
Killing off Elsa would have assured us sequel but there's also this
It was a decision in favor of the franchise over the feature.
While I would have preferred it if Arendelle was destroyed by the flood, it would have been quite controversial to go through with it for the meta reparations narrative. There's this idea that everything built by theft/slavery/religion/conquest must be destroyed to build a new, better world on top of the ashes, and that's insane imo. It contradicts philosophy like a rising tide lifts all boats because it all comes down to the destruction of property/value on a principle that isn't followed anymore.
>there was definitely more stuff going on with the castle in previous versions of the movie
Something to do with Runear I presume
It's interesting that the producer kicked all of the cameras out of the room during the round of story revisions that corresponded with the Elsa dying leak online and test audience screening. They even blurred out the storyboards/concept art on the wall in that shot. That version of the movie had to be some truly wacky shit because the documentary doesn't seem like it hides much.
But then why leave in the scene where it shows them getting kicked out?
It just seems like a cynical "let them speculate haha, we'll never tell" thing to me.
I would prefer a version in which Elsa goes back to Arendelle but I guess that was never on the table.
>But then why leave in the scene where it shows them getting kicked out?
WDAS probably had no say in the documentary's editing
Then why blur the artwork for a movie that is already released? Or is this some bullshit Disney+ censoring where they blur out Selena Gomez's tv mom's chest or have Stitch coming out of a pizza box instead of a dryer?
They did for that part, at least. The documentary crew even said "I'm surprised they even let us show the scene where they don't let us in", so it was a conscious choice to show that to us.
>they blur out Selena Gomez's tv mom's chest or have Stitch coming out of a pizza box instead of a dryer
...what
It serves to both hype up the unreleased movie and cover up the stupid shit they had initially planned.
Yes, here it is. I really like it.
They find the shawl there, and a journal about Elsa's magic. It makes the parents seem much less clueless.
Actually, the scenes with the secret room and the girls going to ask Mattias (Which wasn't his name in that version) are one and the same.
Pretty ballsy for Disney to think that they can film a raw, intimate documentary while doing a cover-up at the same time. Is it incredible or is it imbecilic?
Is there an interview with the documentary's crew?
Years ago, just after the release of Frozen. I invisioned a fanfic of a sequel where Arendelle forest was set aflame, which spread to Arendelle itself, the flame being created and perpetuated by another anomolous person, much like Elsa. He can't control his power much like she couldn't, but because of the actual danger of his, nobody was able to help him, so he ran away from home to prevent himself from killing his people. A drive was where Elsa used her power to put the fire out, only to search the forest and find out she froze the fire guy. She gets traumatized by how she killed someone. But he was only incapacitated from her ice because of his own power. He sets the forest on fire again when he thaws, and people start trying to kill him. He turns out to be a tragic unintentional badguy. And turns into the love interest of Elsa.
That's about as far as I got before I stopped caring. Frozen wasn't exactly that great to begin with.
Sounds like alot, but it was like 10 minutes of casual brainstorming.
And I might be biased, but I watched Frozen 2, and I'm pretty sure mine would still make a better movie.
I would have preferred those changes but the problem is how do you sell Elsa dolls after kiling her off?
This.
Frozen II was fundamentally flawed from the start in terms of story and characters. The ending is the worst example but those flaws were present throughout the movie. Just changing the ending would not have fixed it.
>That line about mythic figures dying tragically
>That line in the trailer about Elsa losing herself to magic
That bitch was going to have a proper death scene and unnecessary threequel tease.
Your movie legitimately sounds like it had roughly ninety times the thought and care put into it that Frozen II did.
Damn, I really like this too. They stumble upon the mystery together. It's deeply tied to the castle itself, and they both learn the same information. In this moment, they're on equal footing.
Instead, we got Elsa, and ONLY Elsa, hearing a voice, and everybody else just tags along cluelessly. They're never equal in Frozen II. Elsa holds all the cards for the entire time.
Cool, thanks for sharing this.
Here's one:
collider.com
Though maybe I remembered wrong. When asked about that scene, Megan just says "we left it in". It does sound like Disney had no say in it.
>they assume it was all the father's research, then realize it's in Iduna's handwriting
is this a feminism?
>And I might be biased, but I watched Frozen 2, and I'm pretty sure mine would still make a better movie.
It sounds much better than what we got, user.
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