Superman kills zod superman II

>cutesy, campy 80s movie handles death much more competently than a grimdark take written and directed by a retard
say it aint so

The original version of Superman II had the depowered criminals arrested by the police, but the studio forced Donner to cut it as they thought it was "too merciful" to let the mass-murderes survive. In the director's cut home releases they are all arrested.

Damn, I haven't seen this thread in at least five years.

>>superman remorsefully kills zod in MoS

The worst thing is one of the biggest plot points from 1987 to 1990 was Superman executing three helpless depowered Kryptonians with Kryponite while they begged for mercy.

Dying by frost is worse than flames.

>What do you mean execution of a concept matters?

Motherfucker throws them in a fucking pit

MoS killed Zod by snapping his fucking neck after destroying the city, and with not enough goofy moments to balance it out. With Snyder it's all about the execution, like nobody would bitch about Batman killing too if he hadn't gone on a rampage with his batship when trying to save Ma kent. Dude is as subtle as en elephant entering into a bus, same applies with his symbolism.

Hello ! It seems you missed the part where the huge machine completely destroyed the city.
Also the part where Zod has been dominating the whole fight (which is normal as he is stronger and a better fighter than Superman).
It's also clear Clark had no choice but to end his life before Zod could kill more people when he grabed him for 5 seconds.
While in Superman 2, he gladly sent the depowered kryptonian to a certain death then laugh.

I mean, he literally did crash the scout ship into 3 buildings and thus also bring the Zod fight into the city.

Superman II is mediocre, that doesn't make MoS not trash.

>like nobody would bitch about Batman killing too if he hadn't gone on a rampage with his batship when trying to save Ma kent.

He kills way earlier in the movie. You seriously think his body count was zero when he was trying to get the Kryptonite during the Batmobile chase scene - with him spearing cars and throwing them into other cars, shooting them up, or running over criminal's heads?

Yes, but Superman II was made in a different time with a different tone and for an audience that had different expectations from Superman. 1980 is not 2013.

My problem wasn’t that Superman killed Zod in MOS, my problem was how it was handled. First off, MOS Clark didn’t feel established enough for the shock of Superman killing his enemy. We need to know more about how he operates as a hero, including how he typically handles his enemies, because when that’s established him killing Zod becomes far more intense a decision. Instead this is the first villain Superman beats, so killing him doesn’t have the same sense of desperation to it thematically. The other problem was the tonal whiplash. Immediately after an over dramatic scream, we get “lol he’s cute” and an entirely different tone. It comes off more jarring than a touch of levity.

The first villain should’ve been someone Clark beats by finding a way to not kill them, then in the sequel he faces someone like Zod who forces him to kill.

According to the script and novelization the crevices Zod and company fell into were equipped to render them unconscious and put them in suspended animation. There was even a cut scene in Superman Returns showing Zod encased in crystal in the fortress. Read a book sometime, you might like it.

>Superman II
>Superman throws them down a pit confirmed to be non-lethal in extended scenes
>Man of Steel
>Superman graphically snaps Zod's neck, screams about it for a second, then leaves with Lois like nothing happened.
MoS was fucking garbage, they could of just written that Zod got sent to the Phantom Zone with the rest of his crew but no, we gotta have more destruction porn and murder.

>novelization
Wow...the canon of it must be the same in the movie

>Superman throws them down a pit confirmed to be non-lethal in extended scenes
>Zod starved to death in non-lethal pits
>Superman made a guy starve to death
Superman is the most horrible being ever existed.

Welcome to the moral solipsism that is our cultural dementia.

Actually, yes, new fag. The standing rule is that if it does not contradict the movie, the novelization is canon.

>the novelization is canon.

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Confirmed to be non-lethal and arrested in an extended scene, even without that scene nothing is explicit and it's certainly better than Superman outright snapping Zod's neck so hard it creates a shockwave.

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