Is this the greatest Superman run of all time?
Is this the greatest Superman run of all time?
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No
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what is then
The Joe Kelly/Jeph Loeb/Ed McGuiness era from roughly 2000 to 2005. It will never be topped, and worse, it will never be fully collected.
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This is the correct answer. I still have this reading order saved I found a while back. Enjoy.
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I'm currently reading Superman/Batman it's pretty damn good
Even Byrne wishes he hadn't done it
Why
Yeah, and that's basically the finale of the run. The rest of it is of similar quality, ranging from huge stories like President Lex, down to tons of single-issue stories like "What's So Funny". Granted, Our Worlds at War wasn't great, but it's actually not nearly as bad if you've read the rest of the run leading up to it (and skip all the non-Superman related tie-ins).
Saved, thank you friend
for me it's johns action comics
That's not even a run.
FFS, no. It's not even top 5.
I think Cereal Lord is a crappy opportunist with just slightly better imagination than a fan fic writer and he had better runs.
I've read a shit ton of superman comics, ive read superman by johns, new krypton saga, for tomorrow, superman and action comics rebirth run, death and return of superman, whatver happened to the man of tomorrow, for the man who has everything, emperor joker, ending battle, whats so funny about truth justice and the american etc a few others im forgetting just started reading superman/batman and wanted to read Byrne's run
It's been 50 years, and this era has still never been beaten.
Boomers get the rope.
Nope, Clark's wimpy round glasses ruined everything.
It's a meme run that was taylor-made for reddit
The Byrne run was revolutionary and had a lot of very positive effects on the Superman mythos as a whole.
But it is not good. Not at all. It's a very standard 80's scifi comic, and it really didn't age well. Byrne was only hailed as a great writer at the time because the competition was rather pathetic. Keep in mind, all he had to do was be better than the Silver Age. Not hard. But by today's standards, it's a very rough series, and it only gets rougher the further you read. So many trash villains that have never been seen again, the whole Lex Luthor II debacle, and worst of all, Matrix Supergirl. It's an absolute mess, and it's a long run.
If you really, REALLY want to read some John Byrne Superman, just stick to the Man of Steel mini. It's the only thing slightly redeemable from that era, even though it's not particularly great either. At the very least, it's an important piece of Superman history.
The best extensive runs of Superman are the Kelly/Loeb era, the Johns era, and...well that's about it. Though the Jurgens era actually can be edited down into a pretty good run if you skip all the filler and trash arcs, and everything after Death/Return.
But long runs aren't really where Superman shines. His best stories are short and standalone, and I expect that will always be the case.
Ordway/Gammill/Stern/Jurgens from right after Byrne. That through Death and Return.
Silver age was ended 15 years before Byrne's run. Nothing in that run was as bad as whatever happened to truth, justice and the American way, which is regarded as the absolute peak of Kelly's run. Byrne completely redefined Superman as a character. He's the most influential Superman writer in history bar Seigel. No one comes even close.
1. The Bronze Age is just the final part of the Silver Age, not a distinct period on its own. While debatable for Marvel, there is no debate when it comes to DC. The Silver Age ended with COIE.
2. "What's So Funny About etc etc" is a good single issue (I'm sorry you don't like it, but most people do), but it's hardly the peak of the Kelly/Loeb era. I think it's being rather disingenuous to say so. I would give that title to Superman/Batman, but others might say President Lex, Joe Casey's brief stint, or any number of other stories. The fact that there's so much to choose from is exactly the point.
3. No one denies Byrne reinvented Superman, and as I said before, despite his run being of generally poor quality, he did have a net positive effect on the mythos, as most of his run has been completely forgotten and only the good things stuck. But Byne also ruined large swaths of the Superman mythology in favor of some distorted sense of "realism", which took DECADES to repair. Writers like Morrison and Millar were the first to really capture the true essence of a timeless, "true" Superman incorporating his entire history, not just the OC version from Byrne and Jurgens' continuity-obsessed, cherry-picked, self-important saga. To say that Byrne is the "most influential Superman writer" may be technically true, but it's also an extremely misleading statement, because a solid 70% of that influence was regressive, and reversed as soon as the industry got out of the 90's rut. Byrne's legacy of Superman will always be one of destruction, not creation. Byrne's Superman is essentially an original character of a distinctly Reagan-era worldview. It failed to capture what was great about Superman in the first place, and was mostly an exercise in ego. Byrne's later work only revealed what kind of writer he was all along, but people still aren't ready to admit it when it comes to Superman, and it's all because the Man of Steel mini happens to have a few fun moments.
I just finished The Exile earlier tonight. Good stuff.
>1. The Bronze Age is just the final part of the Silver Age, not a distinct period on its own
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that's right tho
bronze age was a transitional period when the silver age characters had more serious stories, they were still in the same continuity until crisis on infinite earths.
Literally yes?
Alan Moore will always be the definitive Superman writer, just like every other character he graced his presence with.