Is there a way to make Kristoff an interesting character? After Frozen 1, the filmmakers sort of forgot to give him something relevant to do, so much so that he simply disappears from the plot of Frozen 2 for a good chunk of the film. Do you think it is possible to fix such a poor character development in an hypothetical sequel? Is it even something that needs fixing?
On the same topic, pic related is yet another France exclusive book that was announced today with a release date of October 14, called "Kristoff's secret", that appears to be set before and possibly during the events of F2.
Synopsis: >Tonight Kristoff goes on an excursion with Sven to the Black Mountain. He prepares a surprise for Anna: an unusual gift for a great occasion ... But will he succeed in following through on his plan, in order to conquer the heart of his beloved?
I don't think it's necessary at this point, the sad truth is not many people care about Kristoff
Nathan Watson
I liked his personality in Olaf's Frozen Adventure.
Eli Hernandez
>yet another France exclusive book as other user said, french appears to be Frozen's official language now
Daniel Price
He was alright in the shorts. Frozen 2 pretty much destroyed his character.
Gavin Jackson
Which was the worst half? The "lol sitcom B-plot" proposal bit, or simply getting kicked out of the movie for like 30-40 minutes?
Jacob Nelson
They can fix him in a sequel, now that Elsa is so over-powered and living in the forest, I can totally see Kristoff being Anna's main companion on whatever adventure they embark.
Gavin Turner
Give Kristoff backstory. He was raised by magical rock beings. He was the only other human witness to Pabbie healing Anna. Do you think he ever made the connection? Is he Sami or Northuldra? But no, let's needlessly retcon Iduna and Agnarr's past instead.
>The "lol sitcom B-plot" proposal bit This, and it even made Anna worse.
Jacob Thomas
>He's barely in Frozen 2 Given how that movie butchered every character, I'd say that's a good thing. Better to be safely off-screen than be forced to act OOC. Hell, I'd say Oaken of all people fared the best in Frozen 2. He showed up a few times, looked happy, and didn't have any lines. We know he still exists and is in good shape. What more could a fan want?
>He was the only other human witness to Pabbie healing Anna. Do you think he ever made the connection? This is quite possibly the weirdest part of the first movie. He sees the princess being healed by the trolls and then he later helps the princess go be healed by trolls and he says "I've seen them do it before," which implies he knows who Anna is (as far as the previous healing goes), but then he never seems to make the connection, nor mentions it to Anna. Even PABBIE doesn't make any mention of it, and he's the one who healed Anna both times! Not a comment like "You again? It's dangerous to keep healing you like this," nothing!
Forget the sisters having an argument. The franchise's refusal to acknowledge Anna's brain fucking is downright BIZARRE.
Samuel Bennett
Are we getting books almost every month now?
Gabriel Ross
Well, Pabbie only healed Anna that one time. He couldn't do it the second time because plot. I'll be sure to explore this in my series pitch to Disney TV
Carter Hernandez
And comics, but very few in English.
James Rivera
I swear to God the marketing people are trying to drive me insane
Well, yes, but he was going to heal her until he found out the ice was in her heart. And he still doesn't mention it. Why doesn't he make any comment like "Goddamn, will you stay away from your sister for five minutes? Bitch is clearly trigger happy." As far as Pabbie's reaction goes, it may as well be different characters in the two scenes.
so is the book about how he got the engagement ring for Anna?
Alexander Martin
>spoiler Godspeed, user
Kevin Baker
It looks that way.
Ayden Russell
Why do they do this? They didn’t bury us in flowery pictures of Woody and Buzz together after Toy Story 4. Because they separated. That’s the story. Why does Frozen merch try so hard to pretend the movie didn’t happen?
Colton Russell
I don’t think so, it says he’s looking for “an unusual gift”...proposing with a ring isn’t unusual.
Luis Ramirez
Even Frozen knows Frozen II sucks. The only other franchise I've ever seen "OH FUCK" so hard about one of its own entries is Star Wars/The Last Jedi.
Liam Wright
That's how they handled it in The Hero Within comic and I think it worked just fine, but I don't think they will ever do another Frozen movie with so little Elsa as F1 did.
Dylan Martinez
>Just ignore the movie and think of happier times...they'll always be together...
He was interesting in F1, an ice harvester mountain man, raised by trolls, speaking for his Reindeer. Then they completely removed all of that and he was left with nothing. Just give him some of his traits back and the issue will be fixed for the most part.
Dominic Myers
>He was the only other human witness to Pabbie healing Anna. Do you think he ever made the connection? Not if the trolls stole that memory.
Samuel Rodriguez
I love the art style they're using for most of the F2 expanded material.
His misanthropy in the first movie was great, too. >"She could die on her own!" >"I'm okay with that." >"But you won't get your new sled if she's dead." >"You have a point."
Wyatt Phillips
>"I've seen them do it before."
Jackson White
Aren’t they even building a replica Arendelle in Disneyland Paris, complete with the castle and North Mountain? France is quite literally the home of Frozen now.
Levi Williams
How would that version of Kristoff be motivated to go into the Enchanted Forest? There’s nothing in it for him. Elsa even says “I need your sled” for the journey. Kristoff should demanded payment up front.
Elijah Garcia
I don't think screen time is really an issue Hans was only on screen for 13 minutes, yet his character was handled much better than Kristoff was on his 18 minutes of screen time in F2
Alexander Gray
Frankly I never understood why he existed. The movies are about the sisters.
Julian Russell
yes, obsessing about screen time is missing the point. I’ve had people tell me with a straight face that Elsa and Anna have an equal relationship now, just because their F2 screen time is almost equal.
Hunter Cooper
You know, I was just going to make a joke in response to your post, but it suddenly hit me. Aside from loving Anna and just going with her to support her because he's her boyfriend... He should've just provided the exact same role he did in the first movie! He's the wilderness/survival expert. He takes a bunch of equipment and tools and shit to make sure Elsa and Anna traverse the forest successfully without any potential harm. Maybe make some humorous "This sucks. Everything sucks since we came here" complaints every now and then. Literally all they had to do was copy and paste his role from the first movie and add "except he loves Anna this time." Jesus Christ Jen Lee is a fucking twat.
Lucas Sanders
He's there to fill a role that subsequent WDAS movies finally got rid of, the mandatory romantic interest.
Parker Phillips
Even one line where he goes “I wouldn’t eat that mushroom if I were you” would hint at his survivalist skills. It was so easy to make him competent, but they chose not to.
