Star Trek

Three episodes in now, thoughts?

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I'll paste my reply from the archived thread on Ransom:

To be fair, it's even less of a white male thing--because nerd movies actually started this trend back in the 80s of shitting on handsome athletic and talented guys and undermining them somehow. This coalesced with the sitcom dad and the bait and switch love interest that the "average Joe" is supposed to win against in films to create most depictions of a heroic, handsome man existing outside of comic book fantasies to be nil. They would always end up evil or deceptive or total cowards and frauds.

So even if the show is shit, it stands out in this one aspect for playing this straight in animation. Also, for having a "tomboyish" female character that seems pretty into men.

Otherwise even if I liked episode 3 I'm still reserving judgment. It's still two bad episodes versus one good one to me, so it's not evened out yet and I can't officially say I like it yet. I'll wait to see where it goes by episode 6.

I watch it with my morning coffee and really enjoying this weekend routine. It's simple and silly comedy.

Also they get my support for saying what I've known for years: Miles O'Brien IS the most important person in Star Fleet.

People who are like "finally a good episode Mariner was taken down a peg" are morons who think that episodes are written weekly and dont realise it was always going to happen, and that its only satisfying because the first two episodes exist and add context to the third. She's always going to have highs and lows and now you can understand that the show doesnt actually think she's perfect, even when she says she is.

My one fear was every episode was going to be Mariner/Boilmer and Im glad that's not the case. Ship plots so far has generally been better than the off ship stuff, because I actually really enjoy the crew. Also it's too soon for a new thread.

There is a 100% chance Ransom is evil and will betray everyone.

>it's even less of a white male thing


The TWE is strong here.

It’s funny how the bridge crew is more interesting than the supposed main characters. The adventures of “angry captain who wants respect but is actually incompetent,” “grumpy doctor,” “insane violent man,” and a Riker knockoff are clearly much more compelling.

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Nah they already said this isn't the case.

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With a name like Ransom, it's more likely they'll have an episode where people think he's evil or up to something because of his namesake, only for the reveal to be that everyone was being paranoid.

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That's the point though, the senior staff always have the more interesting stories. And main characters are just there so we can see the higher up decisions from their perspectives.

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It makes sense, the creators didnt want to skimp on making good bridge crew just because the show was focusing on LD. Unfortunately it just makes us super interested in seeing what they're doing a lot. Plus if this show is canon it'd be weird to make your show's ship's main crew be vague and not show up much anyways.

Also on that second point, Im glad the show started showing us how second class they are, I started thinking that it was weird how that was stressed but they all seemed to handle the ship wide disasters and end up in tough situations like any normal crew. I mean to be fair, this is the second episode where they focused on Second Contact missions, so that could be seen as a common thing for less prestigious ships.

The art style is so lifeless.

Ransom and Mariner will be drawn to each other and sleep together, but Ransom will want to hide it--not just because the Captain will be pissed but because Mariner's reputation and rank. I don't think he's a jerk, and he actually would not be ashamed if she was hard working and respectful, but I feel there will be too much hesitance and she's way too defensive to be reasonable about that.

Boimler's feelings on that relationship will define whether or not they are even aiming for a Mariner/Boimler romantic angle or they will just be bros forever.

I assume it wants to stay closer to realism since it's still supposed to exist with all the live action shows

Mariner/Boimler seems too predictable but it's not completely beyond the realm of possibility. But as it stands their relationship is more brother/sister and I wouldn't be surprised if Boimler ends up with someone else entirely.

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Problem with this show to Focused on a to few individuals and not the main crew or Make the lower Deck people Main crew to balance out the retarded focus on female character. Episode three is the Best for Mariner so far she has a Strong Male lead to counter her Stupidity.

If the Lower Deck and main Deck character where Mix Around a bit this show would be something good Like the Orville is. Boimler Can be replaced by Ransom or at lead give Boimler a Ransom like Backbone. Mariner Should have a Different roll on the ship and should be With Shax a part of Security, Tendi and Rutherford are perfect most of their roles don't need to change, and for fucks sakes no duel stories please I was more interested in the Zombie problem on the ship then the fucking shit that happened on the damn planet, should have started the episode with them ending the away team Ransom getting bit, and to some related Reason Boimler trying out the Spider-milk (Turn out is the cure) and then after the focus on the Zombie plague.

Ransom and Mariner make a good pair but are too different. They will end things on good terms

I don't expect good writing from this show and think they lean too heavily into tropes, in spite of the two having an unexpected moment/foundation for attraction.

Wish I could say i could see mature writing with them ending on good terms but Ransom kind of pining a little and her pining in return but they're just too different. I always have a soft spot for the pairs that never actually can conventionally date but it doesn't make the attraction wane.

God, if a chick was up on me like that I'd grapple her into a rimming position and tell her she's marrying me.

Boimler Should be Ransom in a way, by that I mean Boimler should be the Stuck up work-aholic that Eventually turns in to Ransom. and not make him look like a god damn Jerry.

I have faint hope that they will build his arc to actually show why his fastidious nature will come in handy when no one expects it, but it's very very faint.

with the ways Ratings are going I don't expect it ever to happen.

>Yeah the captain is an incompetent bitch.
You might recall from episode 2 that she is being possessed by an energy life form.
(Which is Marriner's fault by the way.)

I think you are using the wrong word, it's full of life as in everyone is constantly moving and there is a ton of body language, it's the opposite of talking heads like Family Guy

hammer punching time!

I think' uninspired' is more what you mean. The animation is perfectly acceptable in terms of expressiveness but nothing about it stands out and feels derivative of other shows.

>and not make him look like a god damn Jerry
The Jerry comparisons need to stop. Boimler's a good officer and pretty selfless at the end of the day.

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I can agree with the Animation it's vibrant and colorful, what's lifeless is the damn Jokes and can for the love remember a single line from this not even from the characters I liked.

My bad user, I mean not personality related more like treating him as the punching bag of the joke to make the main character look good.

>Within the first few minutes of Episode 1, Mariner assaults a Starfleet crew member and nearly fatally wounds him due to being drunk

>No brig

>Episode 3, Mariner goes to the brig for not rolling down her sleeves when told by a superior officer

How is this bitch not on a prison planet after the first episode. Before you answer "muh parents", she goes to the brig for not rolling down her sleeves so she didn't get protected there so wtf?

But he IS the main character.

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>How is this bitch not on a prison planet after the first episode?
Because no one else saw it and Boimler didn't report her. Since they'd been working together for a year, we can assume he did her a solid.

>People who are like "finally a good episode Mariner was taken down a peg" are morons who think that episodes are written weekly
You're arguing against a straw-man you set up by yourself. Stop doing that. It just makes your position look bad.