I've noticed that the villains Grant Morrison writes tend to be very one dimensional...

I've noticed that the villains Grant Morrison writes tend to be very one dimensional. They're just even for evils sake with little reason behind their actions. Sometimes there are exceptions like Red Mask from Animal Man or Death-Doll from Aztek. But a lot of the time his villains feel more out of place in a Saturday morning cartoon. I still like and respect Morrison's writing, but I noticed this problem in a lot of his work.

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all of his writing is very one dimensional

Morrison is notorious for not being able to write morally grey villains. Even when you think he's doing it they become Hitler at some point.

>Morrison is notorious for not being able to write morally grey villains. Even when you think he's doing it they become Hitler at some point.
Morrison literally wrote a morally grey hitler.

He made Joker so fucking edgy

Any capeshit writer good at writing three-dimensional villains?

Ugh. I hate villainous villains.

I don't think the problem is that he can't write them, but more like that Super heroes need to be "heroes", with a clear white morality .
I believe he feels this way, because he grew up with the Silver Age comics.

Many heroes stop being heroes when they are thrown into contexts with such high stakes and gray morality. A lot of people like that , they want that, (and nothing wrong with that), but he prefers old school Super heroes.

"morally grey" villains in cape comics are cancer.

Two things:
1. What defines being one-dimensional?
2. Morrison's villains usually serve a singular purpose and don't seem much like characters themselves, outside of the established cape villains.

What made him the way he is?

Examples?

All of them.

he also made Joker the best he's been in a long time, before or since

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Name a few of them then, nigger.

All of his shit is very metaphysical and psychological, his villains often representing the negative aspects of the main character which in turn represents the reader and/or author, think of them more as bad ideas or impulses one might have.

I liked his U-men. Too bad they'll never make another appearance because they're basically super trannies

Rorschach literally committed suicide because he could not live with a reality that was too gray.

The in Hick Avengers saga we seen characters like Reed, Strange, Panther, Beast and Namor commit massacres to save the Earth. Destroy other planets. Strange practically killed the "JLA" in cold blood and the whole universe reset with Doom in power is a rout of black and white morality. Steve and Tony fight each other for personal reasons, grudges, while their world burns.


Marvel univers has long been a place whose morality is no longer clear

Doctor Hurt slipping on Jokers banana peel was great, but The Clown at Midnight Joker was awful.

are you saying Ozymandias was a bad villain?

test

it was m e t a

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Did I mention Ozy somewhere? Could you elaborate?


What I wroteis that a character who has always wanted to live without compromise and an absolutely well-defined morality, gave up when his reality no longer allowed him to see things in black and white.

you brought up Rorschach, and had earlier said all morally grey villains in cape comics are cancer. Is Ozymandias not a morally grey villain in a cape comic?

Is it true he once beat up a homeless guy for a cigarette?

>Is Ozymandias not a morally grey villain in a cape comic?

Yes, and that's why Rorschach "explodes" defeated. Ozy work great in Watchmen, but
if every comics start to have such "terrifying" villans, no hero can win.

So what?

Not all villains deserve a 5 page backstory and motivation. Saturday morning cartoon villany is fine for where it is. If you want something more, go read it.

He can't write them though

Yeah OP is full of shit. Even his cartoonish villains have fleshed out backstories. For example, Sally Sonic from his Bulleteer mini only existed to beat the shit out of the main character but she was still created to have a motivation and backstory that made sense.

Well, it's nothing serious. he's fully capable of writing good comics with classic evil villans.

Yeah it's just typical "the only DEEP villains are tragic anti-heroes who get a redemption arc out of a year" bs that's an albatross around the industry's neck.