What was her fucking problem?

And also not even asking her if she'd want her kingdom back or anything and not giving a shit that Moon's now essentially a hobo living in a shitty yurt; I think that part's kind of important too.

She has nice feet tho

she gave up her crown for her sense of justice but Eclipsa was a bad queen that nobody wanted and conflict with her own people was inevitable. Also, Racism. Monsters assassinated her mother. She was pretty chill about it, all things considered.

and she did

It's the excuse she gives. It's not like "now someone is the queen and I'm not dead yet", and the constant "We wuz kangz and you wuz our kween" from the refugees.

she does not mention that at all, and in fact she chose the yurt lifestyle they weren't forced into it. the show explicitly tells us this was the reason:
>You're the reason I was lost in the magic dimension. You're the reason I was separated from my family! From my daughter!
also there's this vague "I don't trust her" thing
>Your father and I are going to take off.
>Oh, it was the Globgor thing, wasn't it? Ugh! I know I should've told you earlier.
>No, it's... it's not Globgor. It's Eclipsa.
>W-What? You guys looked like buds. You were jamming back there.
>I don't trust her.
>I guess you don't think I made the right decision then.
>Look, you were queen, and you made a decision. I may not think it was the right decision, but that doesn't matter.
which I think we're suppose to interpret as her bias against dark magic and monsters.

Is that Mom from Futurama?

Bad writting

>Have great mom that everyone, even monsters love
>Monster faggots kill her
>Get forced into running a kingdom full of retards at 16
>Scare monsterfags off but has to scar her arm by making a deal with a monster fucker dark queen to do it
>Monsters continue being faggots
>Daughter is a retard, has to ship her off to another world so she can get her shit together
>Lots of bullshit happens and wand, the most important artifact of the kingdom, is broken because of monsterfags and retard daughter
>FUCK...well at least she is okay
>More bullshit happens. Monsterfags fuck up the kingdom and kill daughter temporarily
>Things work out but boy that was fucking close
>Now old evil queen busted out because contract bullshit
>"I really don't fucking need this right now"
>Turns out queen had a daughter who is now going rip shit on the kingdom because sad backstory
>MORE MONSTER FAGGOTRY!?
>Monster daughter's mom fucks her up and she gets magic monster blasted utterly messing her up.
>Becomes lost and loses her memory. Rulership passed to retard daughter
>Retard daughter barely lasts a week before handing off the kingdom she busted her ass for to the monsterfags. She doesn't know yet because memory loss
>Gets found and fixed up by daughter
>SHE DID FUCKING WHAT!?
>Okay you know what? Fuck this. Fuck everything. I'm out. Just leave me alone, I am retiring. You all do what you want with this mass of shit
>Retard citizens STILL won't leave her the fuck alone because they got nobody else to fucking bother about the monster problem
>Retards wouldn't survive without her so she gets roped back into service again without any of the perks
>Doesn't want to get involved with the monsters but gets tossed the mood swing retard ball by the writers that forces her to start shit
>Citizens who wouldn't leave her the fuck alone and she saved betray her because of Autist Sun Queen's magic
>Daughter has the gall to throw a bit fit about "betrayal".

Pretty big problem I'd say

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I know she doesn't mention it, but she's obviously portrayed as dissatisfied in the yurt village and Eclipsa's obviously portrayed as living it up with the luxury Moon once had, so I think it's a pretty human reaction to be fucking pissed at Eclipsa and go behind your daughter's back to dethrone her.

Remember that by the finale arc she literally is trying to get Eclipsa off the throne and resume her position, so even if she isn't actually complaining about Star stripping her former power and lifestyle away against her will, she's clearly dissatisfied by that loss by the fact she's seeking to regain all of it by kicking off Eclipsa.

This.

How emotional Moon saying that line suggests to us she was genuine, this really did play a huge decision in her turning on Eclipsa. We were also shown Moon was content living a simpler life she didn't want to micromanage everyone anymore which was the starting point of the Ghost of Butterfly Castle episode she gets her planner so she doesn't need to babysit all these people who intruded on her time with River. I really do think S4 was missing an episode where Eclipsa fucks up hard and that's what makes Moon feel vindicated on not trusting her. And even with the most generous interpretation there is no way to write her restarting the Solarian program into making sense especially when Ghost of Butterfly Castle happened where Moon herself remarks how the Solarian program fucked Mina's brain in half and that it was a "dark time in their history" / it is a horrible idea to restart it.

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Maybe she should have raised her daughter to not be a retard.

She was already managing a kingdom full of them. One person can only do so much and Star was super retarded.

Try raising a daughter while also raising a kingdom of incompetent retards.

This is literally all they needed to stop Star.

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I'm not saying she was lying; I just think that having her entire lifestyle overturned behind her back by her own family, with someone she already distrusts reaping all the benefits and seeming completely unconcerned or sympathetic about how this might affect Moon, played a role too, and it's weird to me that everyone downplays that when commenting on disliking Moon's betrayal.

Personally I never thought Moon being like "yeah I'm cool with this honestly" about the yurt stuff felt believable at all, like when the episodes were new, and so revealing that she'd actually secretly orchestrated the Solarian program (meaning she wasn't totally content with it) actually made a lot of sense to me. I do think Eclipsa should have fucked up though, not really because of Moon but because I think the show went too hard on making Eclipsa look good when I think the actual intention was that no one was really a great ruler and so the monarchy should be ended.

I do think her first interactions with Mina in Ghost of Butterfly Castle were written shittily (or maybe the way the actual plot followed from there, I guess the episode itself was decent), in that you just have to assume she went back to Mina offscreen and was like "lol changed my mind, let's do this." Yeah, they try to say she was going for a more peaceful solution than Mina would have on her own, but it does feel like misdirecting the audience in a way that's not really "fair."

BUT while I think that was done poorly, and maybe could've worked better if it was STAR who Mina talks to about her plans (so that Star can obviously refuse but then surprise, Moon didn't), I think Moon's actual motivations here made a lot of sense for both her overall character and situation. I'm really in the minority on this, I know, but I tend to defend it and Moon when this comes up.

>and it's weird to me that everyone downplays that when commenting on disliking Moon's betrayal.
well maybe it's because the show made zero effort to convey that was ever a problem from Moon and in fact the very brief glimpse we get of Moon's yurt life we get the **exact opposite** and instead see a Moon in complete bliss. and yes complete bliss is the optimal phrase here we literally never see Moon as happy as she does than when she is alone with River. what ruined it was all the other people aka the responsibilities of ruling a kingdom falling back on her lap because the people of Mewni have zero clue how to function on their own. I do think this **could** have been an angle to take Moon: her whole lifestyle is upturned and she's fighting to take back her own normal. but the Moon we get in the show isn't like that, Moon stripped of her obligations is content to bake pie all day.

& this isn't even mentioning how Eclipsa absolutely always had her door open to Moon, from Eclipsa's POV Moon is like literally her best friend or something. Moon could have taken a comfy life in her castle like Star but she couldn't because "I don't trust her." I honestly wouldn't even say it is a stretch that Eclipsa could have been negotiated with she never wanted all this responsibility. getting to a place of authority would have been very easy for Moon and from there help heal the kingdom. also maybe it's too much but couldn't Moon have just y'know...asked for the crown back? Eclipsa hated responsibility so much she let Star do everything for her. like Moon, all Eclipsa wants is to be with her family but the difference between Moon and Eclipsa is Moon is more willing to put everything aside for the sake of the kingdom.

her motivation mostly was she simply could not trust Eclipsa, raised by the MHC and early experiences biased her. she explains to Star she "knows" she's evil who will corrupt everything she touches because she felt for herself her dark magic.

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That's not quite the way I interpreted it. Moon wants to live quietly after spending most of it dealing with the massive responsibility traumatically thrust upon her from a young age, compounded by her being one of the few competent people in the kingdom; Star does her thing, Eclipsa takes over, Moon regains her memories and decides that - even though she's not fully happy with the Eclipsa situation - it's time for her to peace the fuck out and chill in the woods with River and do absolutely fucking nothing, which she does.
Everybody's happy, right?

Except not. More and more people keep leaving town because of Eclipsa's shenanigans, turning up in Moon's domain and badgering her like nothing's changed. She makes an attempt to let go by giving them the diary and helping them learn shit since she's babied them but it felt clear to me that, as it progresses, Moon comes to the conclusion retirement was a false hope. Eclipsa's a fuck-up, Star's a child who installed the fuck-up; gotta pick up the reins you've held your whole life because clearly you're the only one capable enough to do it.

Ass too fat

>maybe it's because the show made zero effort to convey that was ever a problem from Moon
I'd say the first episode focuses on that a bit. Yeah, it's mostly her pissed about her new neighbors who Eclipsa also displaced, but then the fact that she ends up being content about LEADING them feels like foreshadowing how she decides she might as well take the position back anyway, if everyone's still following her.

>instead see a Moon in complete bliss
She came off as pretty apathetic to me. Like "welp I've got nothing to live for anymore." If anything, it could be argued that in retrospect, her seeming content could be because she'd already gone back to Mina and thus had rediscovered some of her former sense of purpose.

>we literally never see Moon as happy as she does than when she is alone with River
To be fair, we rarely ever even saw Moon WITH River prior to S4 for more than like 2 lines. Arguably she's usually like this with River, when they're not fighting over shit, and that's why their marriage works.

>Moon stripped of her obligations is content to bake pie all day
This is a really weak argument because Moon was brainwashed/amnesiac and as soon as she realized who she was she got the fuck off Pie Island.

>Eclipsa absolutely always had her door open to Moon
I think it's at least really short-sighted, if not outright in bad taste, to not ask if Moon would want the kingdom back. Yeah, you could say Eclipsa's not asking that because she wants the kingdom too, but that's once again showing how she doesn't give THAT much of a fuck about what happened to Moon and so Moon had to step up.

>Moon could have taken a comfy life in her castle like Star
Who would want to be a servant of the person who just upended your entire life?

The show had a hatred for women with assets now that I think about it.

> I honestly wouldn't even say it is a stretch that Eclipsa could have been negotiated with
>also maybe it's too much but couldn't Moon have just y'know...asked for the crown back?
I agree with both of these points, but while it's kind of just weird writing of the plot, I think Eclipsa also could've asked Moon. It's like the weird love triangle stuff somehow extended to the political plotline too, where no one involved is talking about their feelings.

>her motivation mostly was she simply could not trust Eclipsa
I'm really not denying that; I'm just arguing that it seemed like there were a few factors at play (and I guess also that aside from being an idiot about creating an army of genocidal soldiers, I think she honestly had the most sympathetic position of anyone involved).

also: first episode = Down by the River or whichever episode shows her living as a fucking hobo because of Star and Eclipsa

I really don't disagree with you, and I get that interpretation too.

I just also see how maybe other factors like having her entire life radically altered by someone else's decision + Eclipsa's rampant displays of privilege compared to the Mewman subjects living in like this rustic caravan village could also combine with the racial/social tensions and just boil over by the time she challenges Eclipsa by the end of the season. I do think that by that point she wanted the crown back more than the alternative.

Also, yeah, there's an argument to be made here that obviously also Moon is obscenely privileged here + the Mewmans never had that great of life to begin with, but I'm not touching on it too deeply because the show itself never commented much on Eclipsa's lifestyle and seemed to present Mewmans vs. monsters as an either-or thing from both queens' perspectives. Again showing how it seemed to me the original intention was how both were kind of shitty rulers, so that Star taking away everyone's authority through the destruction of magic makes sense, but the finale arc ends up sort of feeling like "Eclipsa good Moon bad."