Fantastic four doesn’t feel like capeshit

Is it just me or does the fantastic four not feel like capeshit, like they do have villains and such but for some reason they don’t fit the mold like Spider-man or the X-men. I obviously don’t hate them but for some reason their stories are weirdly grounded for sci fi stuff while having gigantic cosmic scale adventures, the FF always seemed to me as sci fi and slice of life. You don’t even see a lot of fantastic four merch aimed at kids in the vain of Spider-man and avengers stuff, due in part to their media appearances.

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Exactly. It’s why it’s the Patrician’s Big 2 Choice.

I guess.

FF always had the feel of those black and white sci fi adventure flicks of the 60's something like Journey to the Center of the Earth... can't think of the other ones but yeah it's good fun.

>Is it just me or does the fantastic four not feel like capeshit
Didn't marvel already acknowledge that they are more adventurers than super her

I see where you're coming from OP. Guess because its closer to "challengers of the unknown" adventure comics more than superhero comics

Marvel didnt make typical "capeshit" at the time, most of their comics were only superficially like the DC "caped crusaders", which is why they trademarked and started calling them super-heroes.

>Fantastic four was a sci-fi adventure serial
>thor was a mythical fantasy adventure
>captain america and nick fury were pulpy secret agent adventures
>Doctor Strange was akin to weird tales fiction
>Avengers was more like a band of soldiers fighting invading armies.
>Hulk was a wandering monster story.

the only ones who were typical capeshit at the time was Spider-man and Daredevil and Spider-man had the hook of being a teen drama as well as the guy who stops crooks.

this is true but they all fought the same villain types of monsters, aliens and communists and to be honest hulk didn't know what it was

What's capeshit for you? Having powers?
Is Iliad capeshit just because the characters are gods with powers?
No.

what are other good adventure comic in the same vein as the Fantastic Four?

But Iliad isn't marketed as capeshit so I don't understand the comparison

>But Iliad isn't marketed as capeshit
Exactly.
Neither F4 is marked as capeshit, only as comic

Fantastic 4 dubs

Tom Strong

Not calling you a casual or implying you haven't but you'll find adventure troops like Challengers of the Unknown more like them too. Teams of people rather than solo characters stuck together by the dastardly forces of sales.

Challengers of the Unknown.

It’s based, thats why.

A lot of early marvel didn't feel like cape shit because it wasn't cape shit. You should read some early Hulk

I wonder if anyone at marvel even can write this kind of story anymore. I think modern writers are so disconnected from the origins of the universe that it might be a lost art. Everything now is just hip references they got off a wiki and layers of irony.

I always like how old school Hulk felt like a universal monster while modern ish Hulk feels like a kaiju film.

Good recommendations and I'll add Sea Devils to the list

Id work for peanuts and Coca Cola to have a chance and they're hiring people that hate comics written before 2000. It kills me.

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Same I would do it for free as long as I get a chance to write.

>Fantastic Four
>grounded for sci fi
>the author of the comics gets transported into the series to watch Reed Richards go on trial for allowing Galactus to live and murder 7 billion skrulls

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Adventure is such a foreign concept to modern publishers it seems. They demand endless disaster porn.

Sometimes I wonder what an F4 book would like from Doom's POV. Meaning that he's the MC and the F4 are the antagonists. Maybe you could rework it a bit into something entirely different.

For me it's DC's Doom Patrol from the silver age. It's more about the weird tales rather than being about sci fi tales.

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Meh, it's all capeshit. No need to be pretentious about it. Everything where a good guy needs to fight a bad guy us capeshit. Doesn't matter if it's steeped in adventure, sci-fi, noir, horror. You mustn't have read a lot of capeshit if you think fantastic four is not capeshit.

Exactly. Kirby and Lee and Ditko remixed other genres and expanded what superheroes could be, that's how a genre avoids going stale and survives, it's what we need now. FF is a superhero comic, but it's body horror/atomic age sci-fi/kitchen sink melodrama mixed with superheroes.

>Exactly. Kirby and Lee and Ditko remixed other genres and expanded what superheroes could be
The fuck are you talking about? Those types of stories already existed in comic strips before the concept of superheroes even existed.

I know, but they weren't largely a part of *superhero comics* which is why Marvel was so revolutionary. Silver Age DC brought in revamped characters and better writing/art, but Marvel steamrolled them because they innovated and hybridized.

This. If anything they brought back the old school style of golden age capes and pulp heroes. DC had changed their capeshit formula for the silver age by taking their inspiration from mystery/horror twist ending style.

>This. If anything they brought back the old school style of golden age capes and pulp heroes
Mickey Mouse stories were still being published at the time in the USA most of which were sci-fi /mystery stories

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>You mustn't have read a lot of capeshit if you think fantastic four is not capeshit.
Or maybe you are the one who didn't read any capeshit comic before Marvel changed the way Superheroes stories were written.

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OP hasn't either, and he's not even talking about older capeshit. He's comparing them to Spider-Man, X-Men and every other capeshit. Silver age marvel style of capeshit is what people say when they talk about capeshit. It was the beginning of capeshit as we know today.