What do you call it? a Comic Book or a Graphic Novel...

What do you call it? a Comic Book or a Graphic Novel? Is there a difference or is it basically the equivalent of a kid saying "they're not dolls they're action figures"

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"Graphic Novel" is a novel-length original story that isn't a reprint of a bunch of different issues.

A Graphic Novel is still a comic book, just a very specific form of comic book. Today the phrase "OGN" is sometimes used but it means the same thing, just enforcing once more that it's an original work.

People using "graphic novel" for trade paperbacks or such are just retards.

Comic.

Graphic Novel is a term used by people too embarrassed to admit that they read comics

Graphic novel is just another word for the trade format, whether it be trade paperback or hardcover trade
OGN (original graphic novel) is a story that hasn't been printed or released in floppies or at least in pieces before getting printed together

Comics is everything from graphic novel/trades, floppies, webcomics, etc.

A floppy is a comic but it isn't a graphic novel

This pretty much.

>[Graphic novel is] a marketing term. I mean, it was one that I never had any sympathy with. The term "comic" does just as well for me. The term "graphic novel" was something that was thought up in the '80s by marketing people.

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I just call it all comics, the publishing distinctions are usually semantic and just confuse some people.

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Will Eisner coined the term "Graphic Novel" to sell a comic to some investors. It's nothing more than a pitch tactic meant to dress up the comic book like it's something else. So yes, it is the equivalent to a kid saying "they're not dolls, they're action figures".

>they are not dolls
Yes.
But you can say, Graphic Novel is mostly a written story for the book format. Commonly, for old stories, to call maxi-series Graphic Novels too.
Comic Books are either trades or a series that uses book format for publishing.

American comic books essentially were birthed from pulp magazines and underground pornography. The early comics were seen as smutty or politically offensive: often with horror, gore or crime. A Senate subcommittee essentially looked at the issue. Fredric Wertham's 1954 book Seduction of the Innocent basically said comics were damaging to kids. So the industry created a code called the Comics Code Authority (similar to Hollywoods codes).

By the late 70s the code had fallen off and there were more attempts at underground comics, indie comics and mature comics. By the 80s we reached the peak of this when we got insanely popular mainstream works like Watchmen or TDKR. Graphic novels were comic books but they were marketed as being more mature. People often say that graphic novels denote something like a closed story and/or are more mature. But the term was really used to try and create a market for adult comics as the CCA was lifted and more genres could be explored.

Of course the success of the graphic novel term was not without issues. Because success breeds competition. So of course we got the explosion of books calling themselves graphic novels and acting as though they were mature. But these books were essentially gorey or immature works that lacked theme. So we ended up with the edgy, grimdark or extreme genres. But the term graphic novels stuck simply because comic books in the modern age were still seen as juvenile. Most fans of comics know that comics are comics.. or funny books. The reason the term has stuck though is because people want to differentiate what they read versus what others read. So the book market, the reviewers and the pretentious still refer to works as graphic novels to basically say, "The comic I am reading is intelligent or mature and for adults." It would be like saying a children's movie isn't a real movie because it is for kids so we need another term for it... kinda like how people now say kino.

I agree. Manga and comic is very similar, but it distinguish the different art style, publishing format. So the only differentation that makes sense is comics and manga.

Why are novels that were serialized in other publications still called novels?

It doesn't matter what you call them. Ignore the spergs.

But for a non-English speaker the term comic is silly since it implies it's humorous by nature and half the time when I see "comic" used in non-comic related movie it's about a (standup) comedian. Of course the term graphic novel is not good either since it leaves out strips, short stories, webcomics and etc.

Lots of languages have words with two meanings.

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>It's not a comic it's a graphic novel
>It's not a comic it's a manga
They're basically the same thing, Manga does have a better art style and writing than Western comics but they're still comics, "it's not for kids that's why it's different", that doesn't apply to all of them, you're gonna tell me V for Vandetta is for kids and Hamtaro is not? Lmao

>Manga does have a better art style and writing than Western comics
Debatable
Also by when you say Western comics are you talking about the American ones?

>Why are novels that were serialized in other publications still called novels?
They weren't, they were called serial novels, and then novels when reprinted in a single or multiple volumes.
That being said the term "graphic novel" is still dumb as fuck and the people who uses it are insecure autists who are too ashamed to admit their hobby is aimed at children and angsty teenagers.

All graphic novels are comic books but not all comic books are published as graphic novels.
Next question.

It's all about the format.
Comic books are comics printed as magazines.
Graphic novels are comics printed as bound books.

BD.

Comics or comic books.
>Manga does have a better art style
A lot of the time, I agree.
>and writing than Western comics
A lot of the time, I disagree.
Manga, in general, looks better than your average comic, but even well-written manga falls short of your average well-written comic almost every time.
>Vandetta
Come on, dude.

> but even well-written manga falls short of your average well-written comic almost every time.
Not to turn this into another East vs West thread but show me a western comic that tackles the ethics of euthanasia as well as Akagi's assisted suicide.

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>even well-written manga falls short of your average well-written comic almost every time.
>Death Note
>Attack on Titan
>Promised Neverland
>FullMetal Alchemist
What modern comic comes close to the above? Ms America? Lmao

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>Maus
>Watchmen
>From Hell
>Sandman
What modern manga comes close to the above? Chainsaw Man? Lmao

I wouldn't use the term graphic novel unless I was looking to make money.

I only call it a graphic novel if it's a single self-contained story. Otherwise it's a graphic anthology.

Back in the sixties, Marvel briefly tried to rebrand their comics as 'Pop Art Books' to distinguish them from the funnies (and from DC, who they protested to be producing much more mature and developed comic than). It didn't catch on.