anyone else find it disturbing that the most powerful, profitable and wealthy company on Earth took a character that struggles with poverty, and turned him into a middle-class type that simps for a billionaire?
Anyone else find it disturbing that the most powerful...
Landon Reyes
Hudson Butler
I have no idea what you are talking about because I am too intelligent to watch gay movies for gay children.
Connor Harris
this generation doesn’t have a spider-man, or a superman. instead, they have a billionaire trust fund baby that runs an arms manufacturing corporation
Robert Harris
because disney wants the audience to do the same thing that Iron Boy Jr. is doing, idolize the ultra wealthy and view them as heroes. a superhero that’s poor suggests that you can be poor and still have the power to change the world, which would be contrary to the conditioning that disney wants to do with the Iron Boy Jr. movies. they want the audience to look up to the billionaire and not to someone that struggles with money, that frets over bills and doesn’t have sophisticated tech at their fingers.
tl;dr disney wants the audience to simp for billionaires, so they make Spider-Man do it as a form of societal conditioning.
Jonathan King
Trips of truth.
Joseph Perez
He moved into clean energy with his arc reactors. That was the whole point of the tower, it was a proof of concept. And presumably he worked out a deal with the USAF to keep Rhodey flying and to maintain the Mark II.
Zachary Rogers
so he’s still a military contractor, which puts even more blood on his hands. but it’s through official means and not done directly, so it’s okay.
Jeremiah Reyes
Seriously, though: Would it kill him to give basic armor to frontline soldiers? They don't need to fly or have repulsor blasts, just being tank proof would save the lives of American sons and daugthers.
Adam Reed
>investing in soldiers
what are you, some kinda commie?
Christian Lopez
Each one of those boys that comes back home intact is an American taxpayer and god fearing family man.
Ayden Jones
No, I don't find it disturbing at all. Peter's a nerd. A very gifted nerd who got powers and decided to become a superhero. It makes perfect sense that he'd idolize a billionaire chad nerd who has produced the most advanced tech on earth is one of the most famous superheroes of their lifetime and has since likely been given majority credit with saving the entire universe.
If Peter being middle class bothers you, just wait for when he gets into college and has to deal with his financially crippling student debt he'll have to pay for the rest of his life.
Christian Hughes
Bentley Lee
Then why do they promote Marxism?
Thomas Diaz
that's reasonable i guess
personally i found it weird they made aunt may so young. she should be his great-aunt if you want to make it more realistic.
Brayden Flores
Marisa Tomei was a fucking weird choice for Aunt May. Like, she doesn't need to be a near cripple like in the Ramey films, but this is a bit much.
Grayson Flores
that really is the weirdest thing that they’ve done with Iron Boy Jr. the social conditioning is disturbing, but why make Aunt May hot? it’s as bizarre as making JJJ an Alex Jones type.
John Long
Considering he uses his billions to help people and make green clean energy, fund insane medical advances, fund tons of young inventors’ research projects, defend the planet and keep his tech out of the hands of governments/military etc, we can only wish real billionaires were like that. Kind of natural a spider man in the MCU would idolise him, especially being a nerd kid without a dad who gets positive attention from a dad age nerd guy who sees him like a kind of apprentice, appreciates his mind and looks after him.
I do absolutely hate how every Spider man villain is a villain now because they tripped over a banana peel Tony Stark dropped once and that’s why they’re evil now. The relationship was fine, kinda interesting take on uncle Ben dying without having uncle Ben at the start of Peter’s Spidey career by tying it to Iron Man’s MCU departure I guess, but they leaned way too heavily in it with Vulture and Mysterio and the drones and giving Peter a string of ‘mentors’ with Fury and Strange.
Joseph Harris
just cause you can excuse the social conditioning through story, doesn’t mean it isn’t there. the idea is that you can excuse their wealth hording through philanthropy, which makes people more forgiving towards the ultra wealthy, which makes them less likely to approve of taxes on the ultra wealthy. if you raise taxes on them, then you hurt their philanthropy! when in reality, the philanthropy that the ultra wealthy engage in, is just a means for a tax write off that comes down to them paying less in taxes than the working poor do.
Noah Young
And they didn't even play up his one flaw, his crippling alcoholism.
Jace Howard
no way would disney allow something like that in one of their sterile trifles.
Angel Cox
I'm pretty sure at the very least, Peter's fanboyism of Tony, the face of the whole franchise, is supposed to emulate the MCU fans realtionships to the MCU itself.
And fuck any established associations of Peter with financial burdens and the day to day stuggles of the common man, we only have time for fun, bought do you by your friend the billionare now.
Ethan Foster
There has been a push independent of and before the MCU to take Aunt May and transition her from a helpless old woman to a character who moves around and is active in plotlines. Its been the case for the gake and the last several cartoons as well.
Helpless old lady May is played out because Marvel has essentially run out of stories to do with Peter as a teenager who struggles to be the man around the house. This was the initial premise in the 60's comic and many cartoons and the Raimi trilogy. Remixing it into something else os the only way to keep making Spider-Man stories without retreading old ground.
Carson Watson
I’m pretty sure Iron Man pays his taxes, and goes from wealth hoarding airhead savant to a hero who disrupts the structure that creates wealth hoarding etc with his bullshit magic technology, like the affect his green energy would have on the dirty energy industry should probably have been Iron Man 2, but MCU is Disney and isn’t going to explore anything like that.
He’s not a realistic hero, just like how a flying alien man in a cape is not realistic. It’s just what we wish the ultra wealthy would do.
Jack Green
>It’s just what we wish the ultra wealthy would do.
that’s the exact thing, though. the audience then sees the tech billionaires, the Zuckerbergs, Gates’ and Weiss’ of the world, as altruists instead of the wealth horders that they are. make no mistake, Tony pays nothing in taxes and still owns at least one home that cost eight figures, at the very least.
Jackson Thompson
>Tobey Movies : Spider-MAN
>Amazing Movies: Skater-Boy
>Holland Movies : Iron-Boy
I missed the part where that's my problem.
Dylan Smith
i guess that's true, but it seems like MCU may's main trait is how embarrassingly hot she is.
Ryder Reyes
>It makes perfect sense that he'd idolize a billionaire chad nerd who has produced the most advanced tech on earth is one of the most famous superheroes of their lifetime and has since likely been given majority credit with saving the entire universe.
Because there's no basis for a universe where Tony and the Avengers are established heroes when Peter puts on the mask and then Peter doesn't treat them with the utmost respect and reverence-oh wait.
Chase Gutierrez
You’d have to be extremely stupid to think that, but I guess a lot of people are. I see Musk get called a ‘shitty knockoff version of Tony Stark’ a lot.
Though now we’re talking less about a character who in canon is a nice person who does pay his taxes and and more about the character being made up of a series of deliberate tropes employed to subtly influence stupid people.
The entire MCU can just be broken down into a series of propaganda movies, where Cap represents Jingoism and toxic American individualism, Natasha and Fury with blind trust in government spies watching you wanting the best for you, Spider-man’s narrative reduces the threat of a corrupt media by making JJJ seem like a joke, Wanda representing of how any crime is forgiven if you’re a hot white woman etc. Pretty much all of these stories can affect people who can’t think critically, even about kiddie fare.
Henry Hughes
she's in her late 50s by now. not that young
Josiah Allen
at least Cap was morally perfect, and an absolute altruist. but now he’s gone too. a coward that ran away from his duty in exchange for a pointless life. at least Tony gets his protege to continue on the idea of a heroic billionaire, while the ultimate altruist shirks his moral framework for idle desires.
Asher Jones
>Cap
>morally perfect
>ultimate altruist
Mouse got you, he’s a pretty selfish bullheaded dude. His ending makes sense, because he's stuck obsessing over the past and blind to the future and thus the consequences of his actions.
Ayden Evans
at least the superman reboot has a chance of redeeming the character.
Chase Edwards
Upsets the balance of power in a bad way, unfortunately. If one nation can field functionally unbeatable troops, even if they start off with good intentions the fact that they can win any fight they want means that solving problems with their military becomes an easier and easier proposition, especially since it doesn't even cost you men anymore.
Look at what happened with drones: it made bombing something so easy and risk free that there just wasn't much reason NOT to bomb something at the drop of a hat. Except that there are other countries that can do that, or worse, too so you only play that way when punching down.
If you are the only country in the world with mass produced power armor, suddenly EVERY fight is punching down. In which case you are really, really trusting in the idea that America is morally uncorruptable, because if we aren't (and recent history shows we aren't pretty conclusively) we are on the fast track to becoming an evil empire that forces the rest of the world to unite against us or be destroyed.
William Young
i simultaneously agree with this and feel like in light of this stance, tony siding with gubbermint in civil war doesnt actually make much sense.