Why is Marvel's cosmic landscape so much better than DC's?

Despite some minor inconsistencies, Marvel cosmology feels a lot more coherent compared to DC which has retcon its lore several times (Godwave, Monitors, White emo entity, Perpetua)

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Marvel has better variety. DC cosmic stuff is mostly GL. Wish they expanded the reach empire and many other potential factions.

Fantastic four established it earlier on , While DC was kind of fucked by events

my take, the Justice League *is* a pantheon in the DC universe while the Avengers are a more grounded. gods and cosmic entities feel a bit off in the DCU.

some of it comes from the New Gods kinda leading the DCU down what I consider a dead-end road. only Darkseid ever took off, the rest of that cast just aren't that interesting.

Aliens come to Earth in DC
Earthlings go out in Marvel

whats the name of this dude? he looks cool as hell

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The Beyonder looks so fucking stupid. I can't believe that dealing made it through so many channels.

>Why is Marvel's cosmic landscape so much better than DC's?
The landscape is meaningless if the gardener is an amateur, or would rather talk about identity politics than do his one job (Ewing).

>Despite some minor inconsistencies, Marvel cosmology feels a lot more coherent

It's had a lot of retcons over the years, but less so than DC.

Biggest "wait what" retcons to Marvel's cosmology are probably the Beyonder and the Infinity Gems.

a bit of a thor-centric take on the MCU cosmic arena. you really need to pull from the thanos comics to get the real gang (which has some overlap of course)

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Anthropomorhized cosmic entities are fucking garbage and I hate that Marvel has so fucking many of them.

Some of Marvel retcons feel organic while DC doesn't even acknowledge the rules it established in the past
During New 52 we had to completely different origins for the New Gods

That's Surtur, a major Thor villain. He was in the Thor: Ragnarok movie.

Marvel comics always had politics especially the cosmic stories

Anything from New 52 onwards is non-canon though.

>Some of Marvel retcons feel organic

"Some". But stuff like the Beyonder sure didn't, and a lot of the stories have taken new stories to explain away.

>thor-centric?

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I'd attribute it to Marvel having some very consistent long-term cosmic comics that did a lot of worldbuilding. Fantastic Four isn't cosmic but it goes into cosmic territories a lot, and did so early to establish the mood. Silver Surfer is probably the one that established and launched the most shit, together with the original Captain Marvel comic. Those were both where most of the big Starlin stuff started. Another shot in the arm for Marvel cosmic was the creation of the present-day Guardians of the Galaxy with Annihilation. The original GOTG were cosmic but since they were 1000 years in the future it was often ignored (for natural reason).

Thor and the gods aren't actually cosmic, but they interact with the cosmic scene a lot, like the Kirby Thor stuff with Ego and Galactus.

That Bendis being Bendis we can assume that the Beyonder tricked them into believing that he was an inhuman mutant

>Anything from New 52 onwards is non-canon though.
When was this stated?

I'm not talking about that. The introduction of the Beyonder as the post-cosmic more-powerful-than-god thing was Shooter's way of throwing his big dick into the Marvel universe. That's why Shooter had Secret Wars start with Beyonder chumping Galactus like he was nothing and later on made sure Beyonder could solo all the other entities in Secret Wars II (even though he wrote it).

The funny thing is that Mark Gruenwald had ALREADY introduced a race of mysterious, powerful extradimensional creatures called the Beyonders in some of his stories (they were the guys that Hickman eventually ended up using as his temporary big bads), but Shooter didn't want his character to have anything to do with them except he liked the name.

So you had the Beyonders and then the Beyonder (singular).

After Shooter left, they retconned Beyonder (singular) into being a cosmic cube entity created by the Beyonders (plural).

A lot of Shooters dick-waving stuff got retconned really hard the moment he left, nothing quite as much as New Universe where Shooter's self-insert was suddenly humiliated and killed off summarily after spending a whole serious just being this invincible god.

>my take, the Justice League *is* a pantheon in the DC universe
This user gets it. Without the JLA there will be no Fantastic Four or Avengers and no MU.

The 7 original JLA members are mythical in that they can be stand-ins for both the 7 chakras and the 7 planets of classical antiquity (Sun, Moon, Jupiter, Venus, Mars, Saturn and Mercury).

Like most fictional characters, the JL heroes are flexible enough that you can make case for each arrangement and correlation in the chakras and planets. I'm curious to ask what popular interpretation Zig Forums thinks which 7 original JLA members fit what planet and or chakra?

What is the reading list for this?

But it isn't? GL is more interesting than all of Marvel cosmic combined

>GL is more interesting than all of Marvel cosmic combined
I read GL comics and they aren't anywhere close to Marvel cosmic landscape which has more variety and is a lot bigger.
Annihilation alone feels bigger than most crises which are supposed to be "Multiversal" yet they mostly take place on Earth

The Beyonder's origin was already retconned into being connected with the Beyonders, Hickman expanded on that concept and made him into a child Beyonder.
Also, Starbrand is many but definitely not a self insert who in the world would have his life?

>Without the JLA there will be no Fantastic Four or Avengers and no MU
Ok DC fanboy

Marvel fanboy actually user (Make mine Marvel!)

I know that because the JLA comics did so good, Martin Goodman told Stan he wanted his own superhero team. The Avengers was also a JLA inspired since they grabbed solo heroes put them in a team together.

Cause you have writers that actually care about it, same why Marvel magic fucking sucks compared to DC.

Nobody cares about DC magic universe

Bump

It isn't.

Give me a space cabby adventure of the week series, like a goofier mad max serial