Who was in the wrong here?

Who was in the wrong here?

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Unironically Optimus Prime.
He knew that the Underbase would overload Starscream and kill him, but he was very happy to let half the cast including his own Autobots kill themselves trying to stop them when he knew it wouldn't work and wasn't even necessary.

*stop him I meant to say

The Basics guy.

To be fair it was either have all your troops die or lose all that knowledge and since Optimus is a nerd he chose the former

Bump

Optimus was always wrong, I wish there was a story in which we saw Decepticons fighting another Prime and Autobot leader instead.

so something like the UK exclusive stuff

Been a while since I read that, did he know he would be able to send the Underbase back to earth or was it a last ditch thing?

The thing is that the Cons are usually comically evil and Optimus is too harmless or framed as harmless, it wold be fun seeing a more morally grey war in which you might side with one part regerding the goal and principle but consider it too radical at the same time or be able to see why many of the opposite faction fight them.

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Isn't that what all the IDW stuff is?

Kind of. But it was past-war mostly, at least the realyl grey parts. So it was more like good Autobots VS evil Autobots instead of good and evil Cons VS good and evil Autobots or grey vs grey. It was a start though.
I even found most Autobot villains better than a lot of older good 'Bots or Con villains we have seen over the years.

Underbase Starscream repaint when?

Transformers '84: Secrets and Lies #4 itunes preview

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thanks news user

So season 3 of the G1 cartoon?

I rather want a potential sequel to this than the Terminator cross-over. It would be cool if Furman could make short comics filling holes from the Marvel continuity. Like showing different PoV or what happened off-screen elsewhere and such.
It's also a good method to retro-actively bring other characters in, like Star Saber and Deathsaurus in the last issue.

He was planning it before all the teams went to Earth. He knew then everyone was just going to Earth to die to distract Starscream and kill time. The Decepticons rightly called him out on it, but they just assumed he was being a coward. Meanwhile he was just staying behind to configure a rocket with big mirrors to bounce the Underbase back near Earth and overload Starscream anyway.
Which he could've just done to begin with.
Marvel Prime could be kind of a shitbag.

So something like the Wings universe except for the Marvel series

An interesting take would be a continuity in which Optimus isn't just part of another group of rebels, as in in the continuities that start with dystopias Megatron rebels against, but was actually a prick who is pro-state and fights Decepticons to get it back because it's the world he was born into and the world that seemed right to him.
And then over the course of the war he would slowly develope from a second IDW Prowl or Sentinel to the Optimus people know.

One thing that I often dislike is how TF stories have a start and end during which there are endless developments, deaths, rebirths and rebellions happening while the war itself is a stand-still with a shocking lack of change and character growth. Such a thing would be a good opportunity to add some character story to it, and it would have made the self-doubt Optimus felt like in IDW1 much more reasonable, because he would be aware that he was one of the lawful neutral/morally grey Primes once, and wonder if he would still be like that if it wasn't for the war and the coup.

To be fair anything is better then portraying Optimus as a serious leader that is flawless except for the fact that he never shows emotion

Basically, yes.

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Well that sounds interesting

Yes this. Or the forced naivity to make him come off as inexperienced. And it happens whenever the writers want it to happen. See Siege, in which he acts as if he had just succeed Sentinel (or whoever the former Prime was) in office when the series is actually taking place near the end of a million-year-long war.

Froid toy when?
Why do even 3p companies hate antagonist Autobots so much? They give every random Decepticon serial killer three toys but never any of the Autobots, not even the really popular ones like Pharma.

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Unironically make him more like the G1 cartoon (not movie) or the Armada/Energon version.

It's very telling that discussions as well as fanart (unless it's him fucking Megatron) and hype is mostly centered around Decepticons and Autobot side-kicks or alt-versions of Prime instead of actual Prime outside of G1 and Bay fans maybe, but the latter barely consume cartoons/comics anyway.

People rather like him for his paragon role, but it's a long time since I have seen him actually generating discussion unless it was negative feedback. They really should be more daring with him.

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I’m up for this

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>They really should be more daring with him.
IDW1 spent years dumping on him and treating him like a failure while people who hated him for stupid reasons were treated as right and valid. It wasn't great, and the alternative was Bayformers Optimus. It's time to do a traditional heroic Optimus again before they start experimenting with something different.