Gardner escapes to the Great Before, a world where souls develop personalities, quirks...

I kinda agree with you but I think you are idealizing old Pixar a bit too much. It is definitively a downgrade even from Inside Out tho; Very creatively sterile.

It's a simple premise film, not one that takes into account all the moral and ethical aspects of it. It's like how you can tear down so much shit in Toy Story and go, "Have humans basically developed the ability to become gods as they can create life without the aid of procreation?". But, you know, they don't, cause that's not what it's about.

>they could have made an acid trip of a movie with abstract but clear and sensible symbolism and go in multidirections and get real weird

While I agree with your general sentiment, this is yet another example of why no one on Zig Forums should ever be in charge of writing anything. This is Disney/Pixar. They make family movies, not "acid trips."

While I get you logic I think you are ignoring the fundamental difference that toys being alive is not a commonly held belief whereas people having soul even before beign born is a belief held by the world's biggest religions and the main drive behind anti-abortion sentiment.

PINK ELEPHANTS ON PARADE
and uhh some acid trip shorts were done by non Disney studios, like UPA or sumfin, soooo...
uhh FANTASIA

oh wait ALICE IN WONDERLAND.
i read the wonderland books when i was 12 and i felt like i was slipped roofies and taken to someone's fever dream. and it was a long long dead guy who liked little girls too much. and he liked awesome badass cough syrup too much.

... maybe I should read the Oz books...

You can argue that any movie that features the afterlife has religious connotations to it and is a big promotion towards there being a God or creator, something that is pushed by groups as being an objective truth.

The idea of a Great Before shouldn't be off-limits just because of anti-abortion groups. They also tried to hijack Horton Hears Who!.

>Doesn't this concept have a lot of politically incorrect implications?
What if a soul ends in up in a malnourished african child born with defects?
What if a soul enters into a fetus that was about to be aborted?
What if a soul enters a body and the "traits" come out like pic related? Why would these "pure souls" develop negative personalities?

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The idea is not new OP, there is already a movie with a similar plot. I vaguely remember it because I was a kid when it aired but it had children awaiting to be born and there was one kid/soul who didn't wish to be born and so a special soul babysitter is called in from limbo to guide him and show him the wonders of life. I'll try to find it unless someone in this thread knows which movie I'm talking about

was it one of those chuck jones adaptations of dr seuss?
light googling only gets me generic looney tunes or grinch stuff, not the thing i have in mind...

No it was a live film

So you see, BROTHER, you and I are cut of the same cloth-- we are actually souls from the Great Before trained and developed to be an exact double of Big Boss himself-- Le Enfantes Terrible. But the Great Before used us mere guinea pigs for this plan-- while YOUR soul got all given all Big Boss's dominant traits, MINE was trained in all of his inferior traits! Resentful, my soul lashed out against the hand it was dealt-- at life and un-life themselves both! "Steal Metal Gear"? "Hold America for ransom"? "Create Zanzibarland?" Those are but goals of a simple minded creature, Snake! My ambitions go further than that, to strike back at The Great Before with a vengeance! You're welcome to try and stop me, brother... if you really think you have the SOUL for it!

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>You can argue that any movie that features the afterlife has religious connotations to it and is a big promotion towards there being a God or creator
I think you are seeing it as a black and white thing when theres actually degrees of it. Its not the same thing to imply God is real to imply God is real and he hates fags for example.
>The idea of a Great Before shouldn't be off-limits just because of anti-abortion groups.
Im not implying it should; I just find it weird no one has talked about the themes of the film to the degree they usually talk about other Pixar movies.
>They also tried to hijack Horton Hears Who!
Thats pretty interesting

Found it, it's called Delivering Milo

The soul aspect is disappointing. The first trailer for this looked interesting until they brought up the dumb soul thing, in which I lost all interest.

But wait, I haven't seen the movie. I assume a character in this world gets a soul the instant they're out of the womb, right? Even if we're involving abortion in this movie, even pro-abortion groups don't sign off at aborting a baby past a certain amount of time. If we had to make logic, Soul training could begin at seven months of a fetus being in a womb and only attach itself once the baby is being born. Hell, maybe the Soul jetting itself into the body is what causes a lady's water to break.

I haven't seen the film so I have no idea what happens to 22.

So, what, you wanted a movie about a black cartoony dude in a realistic-looking city just trying to be a Jazz musician?

if they took a surreal approach and got nuts and wacky, it could be excellent.

Its a kid's movie, mate. There's gotta be a fantastic aspect to draw them in.
Imagine if Ratatouille was just about Linguini learning how to cook; Shit would have tanked hard.

thetans are just co opted archons, u faggot

nice to know pixar likes to use the smug dreamworks face as well

whatif Linguini was such an amazingly BAD cook he created heinous chemical weapons and hideous super amazing 3d reactions. like the gold cobra chemical reaction or other nuts stuff, but in a zany cartoon setting.
and then the government approaches him to develop deadly weapons.

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Bro, they invented it.

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There's an obvious point where Pixar movies began to get less serious and DreamWorks more serious: after Ratatouille. Cars 2 could be an old Dreamworks movie and Kung-Fu Panda an old Pixar movie.

Megamind sits on that bizarre position where is half old Dreamworks' satire and half new Dreamworks drama. Something tells me halfway through his production someone told them to add a romance subplot and make Megamind fighting Titan serious.

they may have invented it,but Dreamworks spammed it so much it became their trademark

>Pro-abortion groups don't sign off at aborting a baby past a certain amount of time.
What flavor was the Kool-aid?

DESU anyone looking for a message is probably giving Pixar way too much credit. No-one has a personality before they are born. They have a soul but your personality gets developed through living, your personality is not predestined before you are born. This is contrived nonsense and I don't think they actually thought that hard about it. It's like, the opposite message of Inside Out, where they try to illustrate the impact that your memories and lived experiences have on how you develop as a person.

I don't think either pro-life or pro-choice people are going to like the premise of this movie. Maybe pro-choice people will dislike it more but I feel like Pixar is really reaching too far with this concept and not really understanding it well enough. You can talk to psychology experts to try and come up with a decent explanation for how a developing brain works and make a movie out of that, but what empirical sources are there for what a soul is, and how it is formed? My concept of a soul is entirely my own opinion and it is heavily influenced by my Christian religious beliefs. A Hindu's concept of a soul is going to be very different from mine. Pixar is trying to go with some generic thing that won't offend anyone and instead they're just going to confuse everyone.

Linguini is a weapon, he cursed our world with elves.

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>Pixar is trying to go with some generic thing that won't offend anyone
basically this. Disney policy has been for years to make bland products designed to reach as much people as possible