"The Hank Hill Special"

Who was in the wrong here?
Also, have you seen people pulled this shit off irl?

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>Also, have you seen people pulled this shit off irl?
My parents have paid sticker price on every car they've ever bought.

I didn't even know you could haggle until my fiancee had to get a new car and got several thousand off the asking price.

Hank's dad, Cotton, for not teaching him basic life knowledge.

I've always been shit at haggling. Fight with dealer, try to get it lower, "sorry that's the best we can do", end up leaving. Every single time.

Hank was way too old school and naive. He seriously thought that Bobby could get a "guy" for buying a game console who'd look out for him and get him good deals. Shopping for brand new, corporate-manufactured products doesn't work like that. It's like thinking you can go into Best Buy and buddy up to one of the employees for 20% off the PS5. That kind of stuff might work for independent stores working with secondhand merchandise (I'm a regular at a vintage camera shop where the owner gives me a deal on basically everything I buy) but it's super rare. In most places employees have zero power to change the price. And they often don't even have any specialized knowledge of the merch because the jobs are too shitty for employees to want to stick around long enough to gain experience and knowledge. Hank was waaaaaaaaaay too trusting for his entire adult life to think that's how the world worked. The idea of looking at different stores to see who had the best prices instead of just asking your "guy" was foreign to him.

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This.

I've heard it many times how you go at the end of a month, and how you do X and Y research so you can find other places selling it and try and get quoted something lower, etc etc.

Couldn't get below the sticker of my first car.

When I was shopping for a car a couple years ago I tried haggling for a hatchback and I asked for $3k under asking price. The guy got up to go ask his boss if he could approve the price, and came back with a note from his boss that said "We're not going any lower, we aren't going to have any trouble moving this car for its asking price so please stop wasting our time."

I was fucking livid.

I think the best response I got was from a young sales guy. Was trying to haggle a better price on a car, pull up the same one on a different site.
>Look this one is like 2500 less. Can you beat that.
>No, that one is a piece of shit. I know the guy that works there, it's a scam.
He then actually described the guy who I talked to at the other dealer ship so he at least knew the guy.

>we aren't going to have any trouble moving this car for its asking price so please stop wasting our time
I think dealers are just on to us.

Wow you guys really don't know how to haggle. Maybe you just look like weakass pushovers. At least one guy walked off. That's really the only option when you get competent disrespected like that, although it's true that some models of cars are in enough demand that they can easily sell at or even above sticker price.

Best you can do is tell them if you sell it for x price you'll buy it right now.
The pressure to make a sale now and move a product can make them crack but this only works if your paying cash or financing from an external source than where your buying the car from.

Hank. The salesman didn’t make Hank pay extra, he just didn’t tell him he could negotiate a way to pay below sticker price.

Cotton apparently sold Hank a lemon

Lots of dealerships already price their vehicles on the low end of blue book pricing to avoid the whole negotiation thing. Theres pros and cons to that of course, but personally if I buy a car and the asking price is already on the low end of expected value I feel pretty good about it.

I learned how to find out the sticker price and dealer incentives so I could know the true cost of the vehicle as well as find the going rate for the model and trim. I go into the dealership and tell them I want tobuy. They tell me some horseshit that the price is the sticker and in fact some people pay OVER sticker. (Yeah, there are some excludive editions that do sell for over sticker, but this wasn't it.) I got up and left. He changed his tune real quick.

This is new cars, there's an entirely different market and psychology

Learning how to negotiate is something everyone has to learn, but it's not exactly easy to learn how.

Try reading "Art of the Deal." No, I'm not shitting you.

Buy a Tesla. No haggling. Problem solved.

I still have 2 or 3 years to see how far they've gone
is buying a used one a good idea?

hay guys i'm going to newegg, going see how much i can haggle down the price of a RTX 3090

haggle on the phone before you go to the dealership. It's also easier if
1) you can see on the inventory that they've had the car for 30+ days. The longer they've had it, the better.
2) You go to a dealership that's a bit out of the way. I drove 45 minutes outside of my city into the middle of nowhere to get my car.

Ended up saving me 800 bucks on the car. They'd had it for 60 days, I called them, immediately asked if they could do the price I wanted, they tried to sweet talk with me "tell you what, let's talk about price when you get out here and test drive it"
and I said "You're very far out of my way. This is my price and I'd like to confirm it before I travel all this distance".

They confirmed it to me and I got the car. 800 isn't a giant savings, but that was 10% of the total price (10 year old used car).

its not haggling its called waiting

I honestly don't know. I bought one new and I love it. On one hand, they're expensive to repair outside of the warranty. OTOH, they don't have a lot of parts that can fail like in a ICE automobile.

The I don't think I've ever paid more than 70% the asking price of a used car in my life. Often less than 50%

in a way it is high priced parts for almost no maintenance but that's a really big gamble
which is why im still waiting on buying at least the cheapest model

That's good to know, it definitely felt really good to haggle. powerful. Really boosted my confidence. I think I soft-balled the offer asking only for 10% off, since they'd had the car for 2 months and were clearly lowering the price. Next time I'll be more aggressive.

Yes, it's true. However, I started investigating ICE repairs out of warranty. There are a lot of high ticket things that can (and do) go wrong. I like to keep cars 8-10 years. I sell them when the repairs become outrageous like a catalyitic converter. Nevertheless, I've had my share of expensive repairs even on my Hondas.

If you really want a specify car, don't hassle over the phone either. Go with cash in hand, tell them that you only got so much, show it to him and if he won't take it walk away. People hate to let money walk away. You can always "sell your gun" or whatever to come up with a little bit more when you come back. The phone is for throwing out crazy lowball offers and you should only try that shit with private sellers.

Haggling in every piece of fiction ever:
>"It costs $20"
>"I'll give you $10"
>"$15!"
>"$12.50" wry smile to show how shrewd our protagonist is at negotiation
>"Oh, OK, you got me! $12. 50 it is then!"
Haggling in real life:
>"It costs $20"
>"I'll give you $10"
>"Get lost and go fuck your self."

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>living somewhere you have to have a catalytic converter

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The dumb thing about this episode is we know Hank hasn't bought all of his cars from that guy, in the early seasons his truck broke down and he and Bobby got a new one from another place.
That episode also made it clear Hank knew what haggling was since he told Bobby to pretend he hates the truck when they got to the dealership.

In the end would the car dealership be impacted when Hank committed a terrorist act and blew up all their cars? Can't they just rake in insurance on them?