Which one has the bigger influence on modern western animation?

correct but Zig Forums likes adventure time so you will never see people here attack it.

Even late Adventure Time couldn't capture what Adventure Time had

>Zig Forums likes adventure time
The first two seasons, maybe. The later seasons, the shitty finale, and Bubbline made most of Zig Forums hate it

GF style and SU style don’t resemble each other

This is flat out wrong. First AT and GF's style don't resemble each other, and second AT came and got popular first.

To answer OP's question, AT is probably more influential but that's mostly because GF is a restricted story with a smaller runtime

Right inspired way more clones which are still being spammed today, so that. Left was just a fart in the wind that was popular for like one summer and then disappeared.

I honestly don't know if you're either kidding or just mixed them up, but I far and away run into way more people, both children and adults, that recognize Adventure Time than Gravity Falls. Especially once you step outside of the tumblr/twitter cartoon fandom influenced little bubble, Gravity Falls is exceptionally niche. Disney just hiring a couple of people who worked on Gravity Falls and doing near-clones says more about Disney's total lack of given the slightest shit about its television animation department compared to its endless other properties (MCU, Star Wars, etc.) that just print endless money than anything about Gravity Falls' success, meanwhile Cartoon Network's whole thing is...well.

But yeah fucking everyone has heard of Adventure Time and it's influenced fucking everything, even Gravity Falls. LORE and arcs and shit can be traced to both AT and A:tLA but the brand up meta humor that always gets mixed in is all AT. Even Gravity Falls is a pull from the more well known Avatar the Last Airbender and Adventure Time.

Oh great, it's that autist who thinks AT invented lore and buddy comedies.

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I would love if more shows were inspired by adventure time, at least the early stuff, early adventure time was really fun and really captured that feeling of exploring a strange and whimsical world going on goofy adventures with your best friend/bro, ya know the kind of stuff kids like to imagine doing (At least when I was a kid, are kids all just glued to video games and internet personalities now?)

Loud House is the only cartoon the past decade to dethrone the Sponge, so that.

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That's ironically the stuff that can't be imitated because it was largely overshadowed by the "deep lore" and overall weirdness. Also spare us your boomer shit pls

You're partially right. Adventure Time IS more well known than Gravity Falls, but when you adjust for how much it was aired, promoted, and spammed on CN, compared to how GF was moved to Disney XD and had sporadic episode airings, GF is much more disproportionately popular. For how big the show was in its heyday, it's left surprisingly little impact on pop culture, while Disney+ is only introducing more and more people to GF and keeping it a little relevant for a dead show. So sure, AT might have more brand recognition, but GF isn't doing that badly either, and considering its circumstances it's doing better.

What in the living fuck are you even talking about? Steven Universe came out in 2013, a year after Gravity Falls aired. The art style for Steven Universe was set years before the first episode was even released, before Gravity Falls even aired; setting the style of the show before you even start storyboards is literally the first step that you make when creating an animated show.

>but I far and away run into way more people, both children and adults, that recognize Adventure Time than Gravity Falls.
So your only proof is an anecdote? Do you go around asking grown ass adults "WHICH OF THESE EARLY 2010 CARTOONS DO YOU RECOGNIZE MORE?" I have to imagine that is quite uncomfortable for those involved.

>But yeah fucking everyone has heard of Adventure Time and it's influenced fucking everything, even Gravity Falls. LORE and arcs and shit can be traced to both AT and A:tLA but the brand up meta humor that always gets mixed in is all AT. Even Gravity Falls is a pull from the more well known Avatar the Last Airbender and Adventure Time.
This sentence just screams to me that you're a zoomer and AT or ATLA was your first real experience with a lore/continuous cartoon. AT wasnt even great at that, it would have two or three continuous episodes then reset to status quo. It had about as much, maybe slightly more, lore and continuity as Fairly Odd Parents.

Gravity Falls on the other hand created so many clones and knockoffs it's making people sick of lore shit in cartoons. Look at Owl House, it's basically a more woke cut and paste. Also, Gravity Falls was already far in development when AT got big, saying AT is influential to it shows you know little about cartoons other than the funny colorful images that appear on your magic box screen.

Both shows were heavily influenced by Flapjack anyway.

Who cares both are sóy for manbabies

If it's true both have had the impact on current animation everybody says it has, then no wonder everything sucks. AT and GF drastically pale in comparison to Flapjack.

I know there seems to be a feud between these two but believe it on not, I've never posted in one of these threads before. I don't even know which show I personally like better. Both shows disappointed me a lot, but I also enjoyed both.

As for evidence, it's not as if anyone is running a reliable poll on which show is more recognized and influential. But at the very least, referring to Adventure Time as

>just a fart in the wind that was popular for like one summer and then disappeared.

Is stupid, the show ran for 10 seasons and sold plenty of merch for your metric. That's actually how I know about kids and adults having watched AT, I don't ask, I just see people I know or around wearing AT merch like pins, having AT desk figurines, AT pencils, etc. I'm sure part of this is Disney's fault but I have never seen any GF merch.

Most people arguing for GF's influence seem to be arguing that Amphibia and Owl House are just GF ripoffs, and that makes it more influential. The thing is that the small cartoon industry is extremely incestuous, and both Disney tv animation and Cartoon Network just use the same small core group of people over and over again (and to a degree those same people jumping from network to network). So two people from GF work created Amphibia and Owl House. But I would argue that Owl House is more like Little Witch Academia in a lot of ways and I don't think the comparison is uniquely striking. So many genre shows have a dorky kid protagonist, both lore and humor, typical genre fantasy shit, etc. I see a few notable things but not enough for me to call it a GF ripoff when Harry Potter and LWA feel more ripped off from.

Gravity Falls is literally the only Disney TV show to get a complete series Blu-ray release/m. It clearly had to make a fuckload of money for that to happen

With Amphibia, I haven't seen as much of the show yet, but it actually doesn't seem very much like Gravity Falls to me. I know there's a parody episode, but the "kid in an epic fantasy world" for Amphibia (and maybe even OH too, now that I think about it) seems closer to Adventure Time than Gravity Falls, which is about human kids in the human world, just one that also had hidden spooky stuff that only they knew about it in. The sense of humor of all of these shows seems roughly similar, sort of a combo or The Simpsons and the more surreal 1990s cartoons (Liquid Television, Ren & Stimpy, etc.) and early Internet animation humor shit like Newgrounds and webcomics like the Perry Bible Fellowship. Basically they all feel like shows made by people into animation and comics from somewhere in the 1990 - 2010 range, whatever age they actually were then.

Looney Tunes, Ren and Stimpy, Batman: The Animated Series.

Sub-par cartoons made by self-hating, depressed man children like the ones you posted aren't significant in the long term.

>Gravity Falls is literally the only Disney TV show to get a complete series Blu-ray release/m. It clearly had to make a fuckload of money for that to happen

I don't doubt that Gravity Falls was popular. I do doubt that it was ever as popular and well-known as Adventure Time. Part of that is just running for 2 seasons vs. running for 10 seasons.

Disney's level of giving a shit about its tv animation department is notoriously low, it's just one of their lowest priority because the parks and all their other properties and shit make so much more that tv animation is a tin drop in a huge bucket. Because it's Disney. As for why it got a Blu Ray release, I'm sure it did well enough and was popular, but if anyone there has any intelligence, they're realize that Gravity Falls had a "cult followings" in a way few or none of their tv shows had. GF purposefully tried to be a little Twink Peaks and it works. The kinds of people who sit around constantly discussing theories, writing fanfiction, and all of that shit about a show are the kind of devoted cult fans who want to buy a Blue Ray. In the past, a lot of the shows that got the best ratings also didn't have cult followings. Large numbers of people watched something while it aired and then forgot about it. I would guess that more people watched Family Matters or other sitcoms than The X-Files, but I don't expect Family Matters or Tool Time fans to obsessively buy a bunch of collections, companion books, and comics for those shows. A smaller cult audience will still be more reliable merch buyers than casual watchers.

kek and my typos are getting worse as I get more tired, "Twink Peaks." There's a joke there I'm too exhausted to make just before bed.

G'night, all.