The major problem with a lot of kids cartoons today, and why I wouldn't allow my own kids to watch them if I had them), is the whole idea of how forgiveness comes before redemption. Villains, or anti heroes, don't have to work for their redemption anymore.
And this is very harmful to the youths who watch these shows, when real life dictates the complete opposite. Kids learning and knowing that actions have consequences, and that you have to work to earn back trust is a very valuable lesson to a childs growth. Same with taking responsibility, and owning up to the people you've hurt, and making amends. These narcissistic cartoon writers not understanding these concepts, and these things being a window into their worldview, is pretty damn unsettling.
That's just what happens when the desire to make money eclipses the desire to make meaningful art. Things will never be the way they once were, user.
Xavier Perez
I guess but it hurts
Justin Anderson
And what examples do you have for this?
Christian Johnson
Is Zig Forums really going to turn into the parents that get their kids bullied at school because their parents won't let them watch shit? How embarrassing
Landon Martinez
SU, Owl House 95% of Zig Forums will never reproduce
Christian Jones
This shit is inherent to most fiction, even in Journey to the West I was pissed at how casually mass murdering monsters are forgiven.
Jaxon Russell
Thank God for that too
Grayson Cooper
>SU
In the case with Greg and Zoomans, they didn't even give him a chance to explain himself or a path to redemption. What kind of shitty lesson is that?
Bentley Edwards
That's how it works on this bitch of an earth. Don't reproduce
Chase Nelson
I didn't plan on it anyway. So what ivory tower are you judging the rest of us from? Are you leftwing or rightwing?
Jace Brown
See, your feelings on this are becoming more and more common, but I always see it as taken too far. Seems like nowadays, everyone acts like forgiveness of anything is impossible and if someone did something wrong once, that's it, fuck 'em. You murdered someone in cold blood? Well I don't care if you're sorry. You were sloppy at work, and someone was injured in an accident? Too bad you monster! You said "Black people are smelly" on twitter 10 years ago when you were 9? You deserve the electric chair. All crimes are equal, redemption is not possible, people cannot grow or change.
>95% of Zig Forums will never reproduce You're too generous
Jayden Fisher
Murdering someone in cold blood is a good reason to not forgive someone. The fuck you doing? No redemption for you.
Ian Wilson
Please read my entire post. I even spelled it out in the final sentence, to help anons who would be confused by implications.
Thomas Moore
i noticed this, but i see a few examples like in Bug's Life and Lion King 1.5 or 3 or whatever. the other ants treat Flik like SHIT, and maybe he's too cheerful and oblivious to be bothered, icr, but he just rewards them for... why? for being ants? well idk. LK1.5, the other meerkats treat Timon like crap and he doesn't like them. then at the end, he just gives them all houses or something. what for?
but the other example was just a dumb movie, nothing meaning to be impactful. there might be more, but i dont have them. it's like, bullied guy forgives the whoooole town that everyone besides 1 chick, hates him. and he just gives them all gold cars for no reason.
Ryan Turner
>Murdering someone in cold blood is a good reason to not forgive someone. As a Mennonite I disagree.
Dominic Anderson
what if someone had a "good" reason to murder, like as revenge for a rape or murder? what if even if the murder wasn't for a good reason, they have spent the past 40 years in prison serving their sentence, and they have nothing but regret for their crime?
Anthony Parker
We just want to see them struggle and suffer like zuko. We want to see each step they made towards redemption
Josiah Bennett
Dude, what fucking planet have you been living on? A frightening majority of the population flat-out doesn't even believe in redemption, much less forgiveness. We still have the fucking death penalty, for fuck's sake. We have a whole system of punishment and incarceration centered wholly on destroying lives, and all so that victims can further victimize others in a pathetic attempt to feel better. You're complaining about Steven Universe, and don't pretend you're not, so why don't you just fucking ask yourself how you compel immortal goddesses to prostrate themselves before an entire universe that they have wronged? They have to begin to comprehend not only what they have done wrong, but why it's wrong before any sort of positive outcome could be expected. In the mean time, not only is punishment impossible, but it's pointless. There's nothing you could take away from them and no way you could inflict harm, and mere retribution would accomplish nothing, regardless.
Not understanding this shit isn't even your fault, it's our whole society, so it's not like I blame you for being a dumbass, but I do blame you for thinking hard enough to make this post, but not hard enough to come to the conclusions that I just had to lay out to you.
dude you're REALLY personally addressing an user who just posed a question that pertains to a lot of stories.
Camden Howard
Same thing can kind of be said about Rankin Bass version of Rudolph the Red Nosed Reindeer. Hell, even Santa's a major dick throughout most of the movie.
Thanks for reminding of pic-related. This whole episode pissed me off since everyone treated Jimmy like shit for not trusting those egg aliens. And even after Jimmy defeated them, they gave a very lackluster attempt at an apology. I may be remembering wrong, but this show had a lot of mean-spirited moments like that.
Yes, I'm here on Zig Forums, a website used by people to convey thoughts and ideas, and talking directly to an OP who is too stupid to understand why his complaints are dumb as hell. Now I'm talking to you. How are you doin'?
Christian Scott
asshole santa is funny.
David Richardson
Kids shows have lessons that work in the child's world: forgiveness, trust, being nice. The adult world is run by sociopaths but you don't really want to raise one so the kids shows have those lame aesops to make the parents happy.
William Powell
>dude if your kid doesn't consoom media they'll be a social pariah!!
do americans really?
Levi Adams
>That's just what happens when the desire to make money eclipses the desire to make meaningful art.
They don't give a fuck about making money. That requires effort, and shit, and American cartoon industry, with a few exceptions, had long been allergic to effort. Peddling ideas they feel can get them positive attention is much easier. "Forgiveness before redemption" is one such idea. Their boss probably would like it, because anyone who can move any sort of money in their industry is 95% likely to have plenty of deeds that he would need some serious forgiveness for in his past. Their audience would like it, because an average cartoon watcher (one old enough to think about ideas and messages) is likely to be a nerd, who's both uncomfortable with the idea of responsibility and likes to think that he totally forgave all the jocks who bullied him in school, instead.
Parker Sullivan
>Dude, what fucking planet have you been living on? A frightening majority of the population flat-out doesn't even believe in redemption, much less forgiveness. We still have the fucking death penalty, for fuck's sake. We have a whole system of punishment and incarceration centered wholly on destroying lives, and all so that victims can further victimize others in a pathetic attempt to feel better.
How about you stop being a fucking retard and educate himself on basic facts of the society you're living in?
Carter Robinson
>Kids shows have lessons that work in the child's world: forgiveness, trust, being nice.
I'm not sure what exact sort of sheltered upbringing you had, but the real child's world, in any area where children outnumber adults to the extent adults cannot monitor them constantly (e.g. school) runs on the same basic rules as a prison: do not trust others, do not show fear and be ready for violence, do not put yourself in position where you have to ask for favors.
>The adult world is run by sociopaths
A sociopath is literally an adult who did not abandon child-like behavior even after growing big enough to do real damage. That's why the condition isn't even diagnosed until after 20.
