Why is it so hard for cartoons to reach a "critically acclaimed" status at the same level as some live-action shows...

Why is it so hard for cartoons to reach a "critically acclaimed" status at the same level as some live-action shows like Sopranos, Breaking Bad, Mad Men, The Wire, etc? It's not like we've never had serious cartoons. But things like Venture Brothers, Primal, or Aeon Flux don't seem to reach the masses as much as live-action.

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Kids cartoons are always limited on what they can do because of their young audience, and adult animation is fucked since most people are only interested when they're comedies.

For one, people see cartoons as something for children - they just don't take it seriously as a medium. So even if you get shows that are more serious or explore deeper issues, a lot of people still can't help but see it as more childish than live action. Not helping matters is the fact that the vast majority 'adult' animation in the US is immature edgy comedies.

Venture Bros wasn't good past the fourth season if you're going to write a story into a cartoon show you have to establish it first season otherwise it's going to come out of left field and kill off your original intent with this series a good example of this in a web shows RV in the chief the first four seasons are solid and I like the fifth one the sixth and seventh one introduce story elements out of nowhere and it feels different noticeably but it at least keeps up the humor Venture Bros pretty much dropped the Jonny Quest but adult thing after the third season

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TV shows that have long consistently good narratives are the ones that reach that legendary level. Animated television as a vehicle for that type of story telling is relatively recent.

Some animated television has gotten pretty close though. Bojack Horseman, regardless of what this board thinks of it, is gonna be listed among the greats.

This.
That would only be a testament to retardation of masses.

It all comes down to the level of talent involved and their length of experience. The Sopranos, Breaking Bad, and Mad Men were created by men who had been writers for TV shows for years, and The Wire was created by a journalist and author who directly observed street-level crime. It took them years to work on the projects that really vaulted them to overwhelming critical acclaim.

Very few people in American animation on the story development side, be they writers, story editors, storyboarders or whatever, have been in the industry long enough to get gud, or for bad people to be weeded out, and are lucky or persistent enough to work somewhere that gives enough artistic freedom to explore more complex themes.

Unironically Avatar: The Last Airbender and Rick & Morty (before it killed itself hard).
But it seems like anime doesn’t have this problem. Cowboy Bebop and Evangelion gets westerners fucking wet.

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>Calarts

>introducing new elements out of nowhere that ruin the original appeal of the show
serialized Live action shows are guilty of that too.

Cartoons are a visual media.

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Honestly though what modern cartoon feels as though it deserves to be as "critically acclaimed" as those shows? I'm not even one of those that thinks all modern cartoons shows are trash. According to Zig Forums I have trash normie tastes. But even the moderns shows I do like I don't feel as though they deserve to be "critically acclaimed" and they aren't aiming for that either. I mean I like Amphibia but it doesn't deserve to be compared to Breaking Bad. Bojack Horseman & Avatar The Last Air Bender is the closes we are going to get. And I feel as though they are both appropriately acclaimed. It's easier to present people a critically acclaimed series in live action format. It's cheaper and you never have to worry about someone dismissing your show for kids, plus the money to be made off of people's fixations on celebrities. And it's easier to win award shows and I bet it's easier to sell your show idea in the first place if it's a live action. Of course I'm just making assumptions on that one. But aside from the occasional foreign animated film and even less common successful animated series that's all we'll get.

When looking at what the western audience prefers over the eastern you’d see that a lot of the narratives the west adores Are ones that tend to be tight, for the western audience if your story doesn’t hit all the notes Of a traditional comedy/action/etc show/movie notes, then it’s seen as a flaw

Personally for me, thematic coherence and sincerity are what i look for

I mean. That sounds like the best.

>Bojack Horseman & Avatar The Last Air Bender is the closes we are going to get.
Those are not even good.
> they are both appropriately acclaimed
Nah. They're overrated to hell.

adding to this, the timetable behind a lot of cartoon shows means there's always a rush to get everything written and into production. Quality writing unfortunately takes a lot of time and isn't always something you can rush. See the Venture Bros. for example.

hmm

>those triple dubs
did stan lee really cameo in this animation parody?

even though the nu-nerds are winning the culture war cartoons will probably always be seen as "just for kids" or just not as valuable as live action programming. Its why rotbrains still got excited when disney initially announced their live action circuit, its because animation just "isnt real" to them.

Bad marketing and the fact that even at the best of times animated shows aren't actually that critically good. Like, they're so focused on standing out from other animation that their standard of good is objectively lower than what's considered great for a regular TV show.

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Cartoons are synonymous with comedy in the states, anime absorbs a large definition of the more dramatic, and the only others are defined as foreign like french or irish.

You occasionally see something break really main stream like Archer or Rick and Morty but once again, comedy. What you're looking for by something like breaking bad is award winning drama.

its kinda a hard to not watch bojack even the 1st and 2nd season and not see that it has the makings of a great work it has humor but every character is very rich and human for a show about anthros hell the episode where its just bojack speaking at his mother's funeral is emmy worthy as 23 minutes of one actor giving the most real talk about an abusive/neglectful parent ive ever seen

>Bojack Horseman & Avatar The Last Air Bender
How about Batman: The Animated Series? It's praised af, maybe even more than Bojack.

Use periods.

>RV in the chief
Can't find anything on that

Because normies think animation = Disney, Hanna Barbera, and toy commercials.

>"critically acclaimed"

lollllol that shit was always fake but today beyond fake. just pander to sjw journos. then they are all "critically acclaimed".

wonder why amerimutts want to be always so praised by dumb critics and rate everything.

Americans are dumb puritans.

Americans love to watch drama or gritty crime stories. Cartoons will never reach critical acclaim because Cartoonists are afraid to make their characters flawed or villain protagonists.

Americans just to see animation as a serious art form. Entertainment for the sake of leisure is a completely new concept.

Objectively, animation isn't taken seriously as a medium by the general public.

Not trying to make an East vs. West thing, but what does anime do to avoid this stigma besides “it’s foreign”?

Anime are just 22 minute toy commercials. Detective Conan, One Piece, Dragonball, Doraemon, and Gundam are the only franchises that generate revenue