Ok Zig Forums, give me your honest thoughts on how well/badly you think Simon Laurent's character arc was handled

Ok Zig Forums, give me your honest thoughts on how well/badly you think Simon Laurent's character arc was handled.

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Turning him into full on Lord of the Flies isn't a bad direction but it felt too rushed and by the time it happens Simon's shown so much weakness and emotional instability that he doesn't seem like a credible threat.

He was a pointless fetish character for black girls.

I'm ok with how everything went down. They should have given more time to either his backstory or more episodes between 9 and 10 to justify that heel turn because no one goes from wanting to bone to wanting to kill that quickly on a longtime friend.
Or perhaps frame his trapping her in the tape as a mistake and having him panic for a bit trying to get her out before realizing its better for his ideology if she stays in. Then episode 10.

based and redpilled

>white male bad

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Actually this. Simon came off as pitiful rather than evil, which is a bad way to go if you are going to have him gruesomely defeated.
I remember there were ideas past around in a previous thread about how he could have been made into a better antagonist. Most suggestion involved an extra episode about his descent, a threat to Hazel or the Cat, an attempt to become conductor

What does this even mean?

I thought it was great.
His hatred and confusion were well established and explained without justifying his behavior.
At times I sympathized with him and at others I was upset at him. It really felt like a blow when he chose to learn nothing and wheeled Tuba and I think that's exactly the kind of character a villain should be.
I also loved how he died on-screen. No pussyfooting around death, and a concrete karmic punishment.
He killed Tuba and nearly killed Grace after trapping her in a guilt-trip hellscape. Pretty sure his threat was credible. Instability MAKES you threatening, especially in a dangerous environment like the train.
that's bullshit, but I believe you

A combo of this , . Simon is an archetype of European masculinity. He is creative (writing a book, carving and painting figurines), ambitious (wants to be king), and capable of ruthlessness. He is also given traits minority women fetishize in white men (that beard, that long blond hair, the fucking body pillows the animators have). Yet all throughout he is submissive to a black woman (Grace), and women decide his opinions and ideas (Amelia, indirectly Samantha). When he finally rebels and refuses to change with them he has to be killed, the way a stereotypical "incel" might write stories about a slutty woman dyin.

>Simon is an archetype of European masculinity
HOLY FUCK user was actually serious when he typed this
I might have been memeing when I posted here that Simonfags literally project onto Simon, but this proves it. Simon was never masculine; he was soft boi and mommy boi as fuck.

I don't project on to him. I project onto Amelia.

Any particular reason why?

It is a power fantasy of sorts. Get sucked into purgatory and kill the devil and take over the place.

The writers saw Joker, got triggered, and made a fanfiction about it in their show.

I thoroughly enjoyed it, and my only problem was that between the last two episodes the time skip wasn't incredibly well handled.

Thought for sure he would ditch her for the cat

>he was soft boi and mommy boi as fuck.
You are right user, but ties into the control fantasy. The whole thing is a control fantasy for women and men brave enough to self-insert as them

I haven't seen this but he cute.

>the fucking body pillows the animators have
Pardon?

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I mentioned it as proof that the animators were sexualizing Simon for femcel viewers. I would rather not look it up again.

lol

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Got an audible wheezy laugh from me

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I enjoyed how he became a socoiopath because of being left to die and being manipulated by grace into following a belief she didn't even believe in fully. The bad thing is we never got to see why he was on the train and what event caused him to be sent there. Also how was he able to not be sucked into Grace's tape as well? Doesn't the tapes render any passenger who views it motionless? How was he able to move around in the video flashback they were both seeing and also rewind the part where grace lied when she was trying to explain herself?

t. animator

>He killed Tuba
In a way that leaves him extremely unthreatening in the straight up fist fight he gets in with Grace.
>Instability MAKES you threatening, especially in a dangerous environment like the train.
Instability makes you threatening when your threat is physical, but Simon needed Grace's help to overcome or just straight lost in every physical confrontation he's a part of including his last stand. You can make a case for his ability to emotionally manipulate, but then why put him in a fist fight with Grace where he's doing shit like screaming at the top of his lungs?

They didn't know what to do with the guy in the end. Either they should have killed him when he was half way to his full villain status so his death could have some emotional weight from wondering if he could have been redeemed the same way Grace was or introduce a bigger threat he could sacrifice himself to stop.

>Instability makes you threatening when your threat is physical, but Simon needed Grace's help to overcome or just straight lost in every physical confrontation he's a part of including his last stand.
They made him more muscular just for the last stand. It was cheap and they should have shown him beating someone

Either that or give Grace a handicap. Maybe play on Simon's fantasy angle and give him a sword or something.

I want one

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I liked how he was consistent in his treatment of the Nulls, but I didn't really like how he completely denied any evidence to the contrary of his beliefs (One-One being the conductor, the appearance of Amelia in Grace's memories) when he had no reason to believe it beyond what Grace told him. It seems to go against his more logical side that was shown multiple times throughout the show.
I felt like him accepting that One-One was the conductor and Amelia was a fraud and Grace didn't know everything could be possible but he doesn't need to accept that Nulls are people, or that the way they were acting was wrong simply because the train wants their numbers to go down. The conflict could've stemmed from a purely philosophical point, Grace understanding that what they're doing is wrong and Simon promoting the idea that the train is their right and they can act how they want. This would've led to the same final conflict, except Simon would be more evil than simply crazy.

Book 3 was far too rushed. I was okay with the shortness of the first two, but this really needed more time to flesh things out, show us more of Simon's side of things, and make Grace's turn more believable and for to actually act regretful and remorseful. Even if Simon was always going to die, he DID NOT deserve that type of death, plus there should be a scene of Grace and the Apex kids at least semi-honoring him afterward.