The Nick Wilde version of Zootopia could have been good if it wasn't made by Disney and it wasn't concerned with...

The Nick Wilde version of Zootopia could have been good if it wasn't made by Disney and it wasn't concerned with landing a PG rating.

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I want to watch a film that is nothing but foxes.

The sad truth is that the Dystopia Zootopia was much more interesting as a story, but was far less marketable. Pixar's note that the collars made the world too harsh to like is technically correct, but it makes the mistake of assuming it's the world that's needed to sell the story. Everyone is already familiar with the concept of anthropomorphic animals, they don't need to fall in love with the "beauty" of the animal city they've seen a billion times before. Not only that, the collars gave the world a clearer caste system to work on instead of the nebulous one of the final film, which was a problem sighted by critics too stupid to grasp metaphor anyway.

It also wouldn't have had to been copaganda.

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I’m still confused on how Otters are considered predators.

because they eat meat irl

If Dystopia Zootopia had been done, you would have claimed that it was too dark & mean spirited like Chicken Little. It's good that it was rewritten, the struggle & conflict worked without the shock collars, which, if implemented, would have made the world & prey animals extremely unlikable.

>Pixar's note that the collars made the world too harsh to like is technically correct, but it makes the mistake of assuming it's the world that's needed to sell the story.
They could have made it a relatively new development.

The directors said that the rework wasn't because a disney mandate but because they felt it wasn't working. Apparently disney supported the darker version.

they're necrophillic rapists.

See, i like the film we got and i probably would have loved the film we didn't get, but i don't think it would have performed as well at the box office.

Sometimes concepts just don't work. A shock collar-based society would mean that there are some major problems with species that have no equivalent in real life, making it that much harder to make any sort of metaphors when the concept is so alien.

That's the problem with the entire movie. Everything they say or do only makes sense from our perspective, not from the perspective of furry world. Literally every joke is just lol that animal is like that... except it's not, in this setting. and that idea would never have appeared.

"Mean spirited" is one of the gayest criticisms you can give anything, and most people only say "mean spirited" because of a mean spirited enterer.

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>Mean-spirited is bad
>Unless I do it
Mr. Enter is a bit of a hypocritical cunt.

Because... they're predators?

>While they eat mostly invertebrates, otters have been known to eat birds and fish. More than a third of the Glacier Bay otters' diet is clams. The otters' diet consists of hundreds of different types of invertebrates hiding on the ocean bottom.

They ain't eating grass son.

This hurts to watch. You cant relate to a protagonist who's constantly tortured.

Otters murder other animal's babies for fun and wil rape each other until the victim drowns

I dont think it was like that.

They were just allowed to do whatever, because muh artistic creative freedom.

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Bronies are scum

What do the predators even eat? If its veggie substitutes I dont see how that's fair. Why they gotta keep the carnivores down

I'm fairly sure they confirmed it was fish/bugs. Which raises the even bigger question of why are THEY lesser beings than everyone else.

>Why they gotta keep the carnivores down
Because eating people would be bad and unpleasant for the majority of their society, which is composed of prey animals.

How is it unfair to the preds to provide them a nutritious foodstuff that doesn't require their neighbours to turn over their corpses?

That was the point!

The prey was the oppressive majority. And the predators were persecuted minority.


The allegory could not be more blatant:

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Not really that big a question: Zootopia just takes place in a world where all mammals are humanoid bipeds, but only mammals.

Otters are obligate carnivores, user. They eat fish for the most part but won’t turn their nose up at a muskrat or other small mammal.

>only the carnivores are forced to abide by certain laws

I mean it just seems kinda obvious they'd have their own countries tho. Why limit yourself.

Also

I have a question, where would the primates fall under the caste system of Zootopia? They aren't carnivores, but chimps in particular are huge assholes who kill monkeys for fun.

I’m still not sure about the ethics of making a rug out of a skunk butt when they’re all sentient. Yes it’s a throwaway line but I have to know what these rugs are made out of normally

But that brings up the question, we clearly don’t see any sentient fish or bugs in this world. What do they normally eat? Hell, what do all the predators eat?