Character created as a joke/spin on classic concepts

>Character created as a joke/spin on classic concepts
>Gets new media that "suberts" the original, turning it into something entirely typical and generic in the process
Are we in the age of post-post-modernism? This is getting increasingly common.

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Post-post-modernism got started in the 90s and had its heyday in the 2000s, we've already been in post-post-post-modernism for a while now.

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When do we get back to making ideas out of actually old concepts instead of making ankle deep subversion of pop culture?

Name some examples. Seems like an interesting idea to think about, but I don't know any.

When you start looking at other cultures.

Archie's recent TV shows, particularly Sabrina.
Robocop Reboot and the Dredd movie (to a way lesser extent and in spite of its quality).
New Tomb Raider.
DmC Devil May Cry.
Byrne Superman (a lot of Superman comics, really).

Not OP but Harley Quinn immediately comes to mind, her modern interpretation is basically just generic "bad girl".

Yeah basically like pic related.

If I was being critical I would say that sometimes people are narrow minded because of how broad things are.
There is so much information on any subject or media that most people can only know what little they have experienced, so if they have only experienced the 40-50 years of past media they're going to recognize the formula of that work as the standard of all time,
and sometimes changing up from the standard accidently overlaps with an older standard that the more modern standard was changing up from.

Personally I'd say that the overlap happens out of pure coincidence because let's be honest billions of people making ideas every day there's gonna be some that hit the mark of another idea from history.

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My post is more specifically about idiots who retool an existing property without realizing the existing property exists for a reason. Like making Sabrina the Teenage Witch exclusively dark and dour when the entire joke was that the local "witch" was a hot, fashionable, social teen living a rather well-to-do life who gets mixed up in other people's bizarre problems instead of being a bizarre problem causer.

Or like every single goddamn "WHAT IF SUPERMAN WAS EVIL" story.

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I mean he opened up with a great example.

I get most your examples, since they started with elements of parody and pastiche, but does Superman really fit in there?

Moon Knight, if you follow how he's been handled chronologically. Was originally an earnest shot at a Superhero with magical origins that happened to have extra secret identities.
Then for years he was depicted as being a mentally ill man suffering delusions (explaining his supposed magic origins) and his 'secret identities' were presented as being multiple personalities.
But now they went back to him actually just having magic powers for real and the spin on his original depiction has pretty much been removed.
Something very similar happened to Marvel's Sentry too, now that I think about it.

Essentially, since what made Superman interesting was that he was a genuinely new idea, a subversion of the Ubermensch and just the generally not often seen "outright good, powerful person who isn't a deity." There's some Moses in there, but Clark's an alien dude who just grew up a swell guy who always prevails. I point to Byrne because it tried to bury his foreigner aspect as much as possible, play up his faults as a person, and boil most conflicts down to force. He became every pale imitation, a more generic superhero, and it's a big part of where the "Superman is boring" perception comes from. Because Byrne Superman and depictions heavily based on him ARE boring. It took out a lot of the weird, atypical elements or downplayed them.

Also DMC and Tomb Raider aren't really parody. It's more that they reveled in the absurd, balancing camp with earnestness, which set them apart from contemporaries.

Schizo Moon Knight was good and it didn't really "ruin the point" so much as try something weird. Magic heroes and crazy heroes are pretty similar in terms of how common they are, too.

Are you reading new stuff for the first time my Silent fella?

we've been in the age of post-postmodernism for a while now. I grew up seeing nothing but tropes subverted. Shrek was my first fairy tale so "generic" shit from the past is fresh and new to me .

I dunno if it's really the same thing but it feels like subversive depictions of a Superman archtype now have much more presence, frequency and exposure than Superman proper actually does in the current year, which makes it feel like it's all in the service of criticizing something that isn't prevalent anymore anyways.

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Most famous case i can think pf is TMNT.
They started as a joke/parody of those kung-fu movies yet they were responsable of and entire sub genre of anthropomorphic radical street fighters etc... like street sharks, battletoads

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I wasn't trying to imply Schizo Moon Knight was bad, in fact I think that was the ideal status quo for the character. It took a character that could easily get lost in a crowd within the Marvel universe and gave him a unique identity.
The Post-post-modernism part is where Aaron threw that all away just to make him a mundane hero who's delusions were all based in fact. He subverted the subversion.

>postmodernism
>post-postmodernism
>post-post-postmodernism

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In that case I guess I'd say it doesn't come off the same to me. Like, I prefer Schizo Marc screaming for Horus, but the classic version has its own appeal. It isn't really a "why even bother" thing so much as a "I prefer the other one" thing.

And really, I think the whole premise of the thread comes down to frequency and execution. Writing a dark story starring Sabrina the Teenage Witch isn't a bad thing on its own. Making it completely fucking generic with no notable identity in a sea of similar products is what makes it stupid.

Melissa Joan Hart was extremely hot and this was a great sitcom.

interesting insights. Do you think eventually the age of traditionalism will make a comeback?

you mean homestuck?

Agree 100% Melissa Joan Hart was a super cutey. That show stopped being "good" or "decent" after season 3.

We cant keep adding post to it. It loses all meaning.
Lets make it more meaningless but easier to categorize
>Modernism
>post modernism
>Modernism 2
>Super Modernism 2
>Super Modernism 2: Tournament Edition

They tried really hard to keep it going well past teenage but the premise just didn't support it.
On the other hand, tits.

PEOPLE DONT HAVE ARCS user

Successful people do.
Guess Hussie wouldn't know.

I’ve only watched Sabrina’s show from back in the day. Are her comics good?