How did the trend of a new thing of the franchise shitting on fans of the franchise start? Is it a popular thing now? Doesn't it negatively affect a company's relationship with their consumers? This isn't just in cartoons and comics but also in other media such as Ghostbusters or Star Wars. How did open contempt for fans or critics become such a popular thing?
I'm not a fan of the original teen titans or thundercats so I don't care about the reboots. I'm just curious why shitting on fans is considered so acceptable nowdays.
Roar and Ghostbusters utterly bombed and the new trilogy was a disappointment for Disney. It's not actually a popular thing.
Jackson Johnson
But how did companies like Sony and Disney think it was a good idea to let it happen?
Adrian Myers
It's an attempt at "attitude" to stoke relatability. But, shows used to criticize the studios not the audience. It's not that the studios don't let them but, modern show runners don't have the backbone to try.
Jordan Perry
>Sony >Disney >Think
Jacob Green
Both companies don't understand social media. Marketing teams for either product could see that they were shit and not going to sell well without the negativity, and probably thought they could get people to hatewatch them if they werent going to watch it to spite online boogeymen.
Nolan Bailey
Disney went into the new trilogy without any plan. Nobody went to them saying "I have an idea for a movie." It went the other way 'round: Disney wanted a movie and asked people to show up and make shit. There wasn't a coherent strategy there, they were just guessing. One director showed up and went "it'll rhyme. Poetry. Something similar to the first movie, but with a new generation." The next one went "fuck the old stuff, let's deconstruct all this, and fuck and internal consistency! Also: they main guy and main girl will wanna fuck."
Disney heard both pitches and went "sure, why not, might sell tickets." They were just being a megacorp, they couldn't help themselves.
Thomas Taylor
>true fans where were you when 2011 thundercats flopped, or when he-man 2002 flopped?
For a while now, I was watching the entire simpsons series and (I think) in season 11, they made fun of people who point out contradictions. But unlike that shit you brought up it was actually funny and not the main point of the episode
James Richardson
The artists working on these don't actually want to work on reboots but nothing else sells so nothing else is being made.
Jaxson Miller
It's funny how everyone is getting on Roar for these threads when this was a show specifically made by the TTG staff because they're still butthurt that a bunch of 20-30 year olds still don't like their reboot
Xavier Brooks
Comics
Grayson Phillips
People were watching the 2011 Thundercats but CN was in a transition away from action shows and barely aired it
Jaxson Brown
Hollywood is in this constant reboot/remake phase and there just doesn't seem to be an end in sight.
Noah Garcia
Billion dollars ez
Liam Johnson
I was on front of the TV saying "this reboot is shit." Both times. Damn it. Good art tho'. Both times, oddly enough.
Xavier Gutierrez
I think it's utter nonsense how they approved Rian Johnson's script to continue what J.J already built. The Force Awakens wasn't amazing, but I didn't straight up hate entire segments and ideas it proposed... unlike that mess of a movie.
If he wanted to have his go at Star Wars with the deconstruction bullshit, it should have been a standalone thing like Solo or Rogue One, not the fucking main sequel storyline, and not the fucking second movie of it either.
Jace Johnson
You are wrong, disney gave star wars the eat treatment. The rights costed a fortune and they could only justify spending that much money by shitting out a new trilogy as fast as possible to make the money back. It worked but it also milked the franchise dry, short term they made their profit so it was a success, with another mindset star wars could have ended up with an expanded universe like marvel and made crazy money but you can't say they didn't have a plan or that they failed when everything worked out in their favour
Xavier Price
i liked both of those shows, and watched them as they aired and ive never even seen the original he-man. love the original thundercats though, watched it on 1997 toonami
Matthew Lopez
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Dunno what you want me to say, user. It WAS bullshit, but again: this is a company that bought the rights to Star Wars, wanted the Star Wars money to started rolling in immediately, and asked for people to pitch ideas. They didn't want to wait for a really good idea, they wanted an immediate return on their investment, and went with whatever nonsense made a few suits go "yeah, that sounds like it'll make some cash."
I don't see how what you said is in opposition to what I said.
Nathaniel Richardson
>I don't see how what you said is in opposition to what I said Their plan was to make the money back fast
Charles Sullivan
Cheering because those reboots deserved to flop. I'm still blown away that of all things Extreme Ghostbusters and Johnny Quest ended up being the 90-00s "we're redoing this for a new generation" series that were actually good. Would not have seen that one coming.
Gavin Long
Yeah, and? My point was that they went into the new trilogy with no plan, not waiting for anyone to show up with a good idea, just signing off on anything they thought would make them money.
The fact that the purchase put them in a position where they needed that quick cash doesn't change the fact that their incompetent "quick, turn it into profit!" approach kneecapped one of the best properties out there.
Kayden Harris
It was more like an agreeable rant than something that needed an answer.
Adam Ross
too bad real adventures of jonny quest was canceled for being too expensive that shit was my jam
Caleb Gonzalez
hmmm.....let's see. I remember the 2011 Voltron show trying to shit on the fans of the older show, and it backed fired horribly because the old fans were more open to new things than the writers thought and the new fans thought the hate was directed at them. Because new fans watch it without knowing about the old show. Really the 2011 staff must of had never heard of the third dimension because that show lower the fans expectations greatly.
Owen Baker
>I remember the 2011 Voltron show
Well, I guess someone has to. I sure as fuck don't.
Cooper Jackson
Teen titans go was highly successful, and most corporate suits can't fathom creativity: Literally 99% of suits will just try and copy the other successful things, because if they try something new and it flops, it'll be their ass because "How DARE you go against the paradigm and waste our money", while if it's a imitation and it flops it'll just be "Well, nothing you could have done, the focus groups all said this was going to work".
So Everyone's been trying to imitate teen titan's go's depreciation of its original fanbase and low effort art style, and being surprised when it turns out to be shit.
Colton Cook
I feel like probably the 2010s. In comics it got started earlier in the 2000s, it mainly came from Joe Quesada becoming Editor-in-Chief and Dan Didio being inspired by Quesada's tendency to rile up the fans during the 00s, you also have Warren Ellis cultivating a following to understand that the mainstream superhero fan was The Enemy and any hostility towards the fans in the 10s is an extension of that.
But you don't start seeing studios having a wave of defenders going around accusing longtime fans of being toxic while doing toxic actions themselves until the 2010s. It was around that time where you had clickbait writers writing up things to defend the newest reboots or shit, and trying to dictate what was problematic. Then directors, writers, actors, actresses were trying to show off how woke they were. This was also when social media got big, too.
That arrogance eventually caused a lot of the problems in the 2010s, they complained of everything being toxic and inadvertently created something much more toxic to oppose them.
Oliver Ward
the really weird thing is that despite thundercats roar's shit art, it had awesome animation. everything moved great and there was actually a good amount of action
if they hadnt shat all over the old audience and instead just said 'please give us a chance' it might not have died so soon
Owen Wright
what? The voltron show only bombed because it had one of the worst finales in cartoon history.
Up until its final episode it was very popular.
Matthew Diaz
I challenge you to name four other examples of a newer incarnation of a franchise pooh-poohing its antecedent.
Kevin Perez
Get fucked nobody had ever liked do-nothing nerds who have nothing better to do than bitch about fucking cartoons. You'll always be an embarrassment.
Another factor that I think is important is the change in Hollywood that came about in the last 10 years. IP is king, and if you want your pitch to get greenlit and funded, you need to have it be based on a previous IP. I'm sure most of the staff of Thundercats Go! didn't give a shit about Thundercats, but that's their best best of getting funded so they put on their best fake smiles and gave it their best shot. The feeling I'm getting from a lot of these "piss on the fans" shit is a sense that the writers behind them resent that they have to work on someone else's idea, and on top of it they have to show deference to the fans of the original work. The #bettercartoon shit really does showcase how creatively empty most of these writers are.
Camden Walker
if they don't want nerd money, then why the hell are they bringing back the shows the nerds kept demanding?
You think there's much drive amongst little kids for more Tiny toons?
Grayson Richardson
>very popular Really? all I remember was most fans saying it was an average action show, with a cheap 2d and 3d animation.
Brody Lee
The thread for the final episode of ThunderCats Roar is gonna be a shit show isn't it?
I love mecha shit, and a lot of the episodes up until they shit the bed were genuinely well-written. Season 7 when they invaded earth felt like a kids version of XCOM and XCOM 2