Alright, let's settle this shit. What are the pros, cons, and neutral points to both comic books and manga (only going to do US comic as the us is the most mainstream as it comes to western comics.)
Also what type of stats does both have. Like what's the typical page count in say a manga magazine or the number of series. Also what's some prices on monthly comics, trades, and the likes?
fuck off, I wish this shit wasn't tolerated like in Zig Forums
Manga
-Cringe
Comics
-Based
Simple as.
>Manga pros: ?????
>Comics cons: capeshit
Manga win
Number 1: too much "diversity" in american comics. Manga characters are all white.
Manga pro: one authors vision, story doesn't get raped by a million other authors coming along wanting to "leave their mark" like comics
Manga pros
-lots and lots of cunny
Comic pros
-the brit invaders
been a long time since I bought a monthly comic, but aren't they about 4-5 bucks?
manga pros: each series is their own creator driven story, diversity of genres, everything that's good stays in print
manga cons: everything is 30+ trade paperbacks, anime cliches
comic pros: color, easier to find short self-contained stories, way more real life comics that aren't about romance
comic cons: non-superhero comics more rare, everything that's good goes out of print immediately
I think I I got most of the "neutral" which is just pricing.
Manga Pros:
>Highly stylized art
>Writer and artist is usually same person so vision stays intact
>Fan service
>Portable
>Possible adaptation to anime
Manga Cons:
>Small format
>Release delays outside of Japan
>Monochrome
>Typical tropes
>Cringe weeab shit taken too far
>Possible adaptation to live action film
Comic books Pros:
>Shared universe with long history
>Full color most of the time
>Large format
>TP and HC for those who don't like single issues
>Independent titles for those who don't like cape shit
>Possible adaptation to live action film
>Value of books have more potential after market value than manga
>Mini and maxi series for those who like an end
Comic books Cons:
>Shared universe with long history (baggage)
>Status quo
>Not portable at all, no one reads these in public
>Possible adaptation in animation (killing joke animated feature sucked)
>Ongoing series going way too long
>Ongoing series cancelled without warning
>Event fatigue (eat shit Marvel)
>Speculators
>Expensive, $3 minimum ~ some as high as $9 (DC's Last Stories of the Multiverse and TMNT Last Ronin)
>Man-children complaining about [insert name] books not meeting personal expectations or changes to the status quo
>Creative teams changing all the time
>Art can be shit sometimes
This is all I can think of at the moment.
I love both comic books and manga but they do have issues with them. I read comic books way more than manga but don't believe they are better, it's just what I like to read more often. To each their own.
Comics have higher highs, but lower lows. Manga is generally better, but has never reached the highs that comics have.
you got the big chunk covered bud
amerimutt comics are just junk. nobody reads it except for braindead mutts like you
>Comics have higher highs
kek no they do not
>Manga pros: ?????
>Image related
ftfy
>>Independent titles for those who don't like cape shit
>>Possible adaptation to live action film
>>Value of books have more potential after market value than manga
manga has all of these. old fart comic boomers cant even research. also i dont even get how full colour and large format can be a merit. i hate coloured comics. it really depends on customers.
I got some "pros" for manga. What do you think?
Why are you only covering the direct market for American comics? We also have the bookstore market.
>direct market
>comics are released on a set monthly schedule
>comics are released with a set page length
>comics pander mostly to the manchild audience
>comics can sell thousands of copies
>bookstore market
>comics are released whenever the authors decide that they're ready
>comics are as long as the authors feel like making them
>comics are split between artistic comics for adults and simplistic comics for actual children
>comics can sell millions of copies
Thanks to the pandemic, American comics are shifting more towards the bookstore market. You just don't see it discussed on Zig Forums because Zig Forums is out-of-touch. And now, so is your image.
They absolutely do. I've read a lot of both and there's a clear gap between the great comics and great manga.
>Comics have higher highs
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reminder only mutts read and overrate watchmen since its a shitty deconstruction of cape garbage. nobody reads it in the eu or japan
Watchmen is British and its easily better than any of the greats of manga thus far, shitty deconstruction or not.
Not him but I feel the issue for bookstore is that the inconsistency really is what keeps it from being used in comparison.
We're already restricting "comics" to only one country, now we're restricting """comics""" to only one market. At what point does the comparison become pointless because we're artificially forcing a comparison between apples and oranges?
pretty much agree with this except i don't care if something is black and white
yea someone obsessed with mutt capeshit wrote that shit and it was consumed hard in the amerimutt market. not the bong market
It wasn't necessary for the Bongs to read it because the Bongs had already received the superior Miracleman.
>Comic books Pros:
>Possible adaptation to live action film
Please stop posting here
>doesn’t depend on baby-fying faces to make them attractive
counts as a comics plus compared to the vast majority of manga
Totally get what you are saying. To me I always felt like you can’t really compare the direct market to the book store market, they are so different they kind of cannibalize one another.
As for the “restricting to one country” aspect, isn’t it also unfair to compare a single country to the entirety of the western world?
their market was super small and already died. you should understand capeshit comics arent popular at all in the world. except for your burger land. its a weird genre.
>what are the pros and cons of two industries with hundreds of styles of art, writing, design, and genres?
If you want to generalize entire industries, manga is black and white while comics are full color.
Oh, that's not always true? Well that's what happens when you generalize.
>As for the “restricting to one country” aspect, isn’t it also unfair to compare a single country to the entirety of the western world?
Not if we lump in Korean and Chinese comics with Japan. Then it's a proper East vs West comparison.
reminder that berserk & the original dragon ball manga exist, and that's only two examples of manga that make watchmen eat its own shit
spbp
Yeah it doesn't doesn't matter if it only sold well in your mom's backyard or if it sold terribly in the Vatican, it is far better than any manga in existence. Keep hiding behind your sales.
The best bit was completed after Watchmen. Early Marvelman was a little clunky.
Now it's my turn to laugh.
Monochrome isn't really a big con. I'd much rather have that than shitty flat coloring.
Wrong terminology? Flat colors are soulful. Unfortunately, comics abandoned flat colors during the nineties in favor of computer-generated gradients.