What went wrong?
Incredibles 2
Leo Barnes
Nicholas Reed
>not continuing the family dynamic
>telling basically the same story watered down
>Completely fucking up the underminer's story after 14 fucking years
>adding a pointless girl power message for cheap pandering
>pointless plot twist villain like we dont expect at this point come on disney
Levi Sullivan
I haven't even seen it.
it's one of these movies, you hear a lot when it's coming up, but forget it exists after 2 days.
like:
>nightmare on Elm's street remake(2010)
>poltergeist remake(2015)
>every pixar sequel
Brody Adams
The only thing I remember about NoES remake is that it somehow had more annoying jumpscares than The Descent (fucking overrated movie by the way) and managed to have its special effects be shittier than original's.
Jaxson King
>Completely fucking up the underminer's story after 14 fucking years
So you're telling me
they undermined
the underminer
Jaxon Miller
Honestly I had forgotten how lethal the first Incredibles was.
>Bob chucks a rock at a guard's head on a ledge with superstrength, probably kills him instantly but even if he didn't, he falls 40 feet onto his head.
>Multiple henchmen get the fuck blown out of them crashing their buzz saw saucers.
>Montage of Supers getting slaughtered by cape malfunctions.
>Syndrome laughing about blowing up Bob's entire family.
>"Man, Bob is serious about snapping Mirage's neck, he's not joking."
>Finds skeletons of dead supers killed by Syndrome.
>Watch Syndrome die sucked into a jet engine.
Did anyone die in Incredibles 2 other than Dad CEO?
>All the disasters were foiled by Elastigirl, even then they were all choreographed by Screen Slaver, so we don't know if anyone was really gonna die.
>CEO Dad dies in a flashback, even then was pretty much a dumb person death.
>Even the villian lives.
Just didn't have the bite of the first one, first one went to some dark places with straight up murder and a metaphor for divorce/midlife crisis/affair and weird objectivist pandering. Second one was 'muh individuality'.
Jayden Scott
A lot of the character designs felt like they went with the first pass instead of refining them. The Supers in the first movie might have been generic but they felt like they belonged in their universe. These guys stick out like a sore thumb and feel like they belong in a different movie entirely
Angel Perry
These are actual shit.
only the owl guy vaguely fits.
Noah Gray
So bad. The electric guy and the black german guy are the worst by far.
Leo Diaz
Wasn't the whole point that these are D-tier supers who no one cares about?
Brody Sanders
>first entry sticks to the setting and time period
>second entry is a few years later, but completely drops the time period motif
Why do so many franchises do this? Korra did this as well and it's annoying.
Nicholas Brown
I haven't done a direct comparison, but I felt like Helens VA was showing the time gap between movies, her voice just sounded weathered, but it was 14 years between movies, what are you gonna do?
Ryder Cooper
Absolutely nothing. I wasted big animated booty and that's what I got.
Gabriel Watson
>wasted
wanted
Charles Lewis
>shit on purpose
still shit mate
like the whole movie.
Jaxon Cook
What the fuck are you talking about? The second movie went even harder on the faux-60's aesthetic.
Matthew Mitchell
It leaned way harder into modern territory to me.
Noah Moore
Looks like you might wanna get your vision checked, matey.
David Thompson
Lack of memorable side scenes and normal people. Some of the most important parts of the first movie was how the Incredibles interacted with the world and the people around them. Bob's Boss, Dash's teacher, the kid who wants to see something amazing, Frozone, etc. They all contribute in making the world feel lived in and alive, having the most memorable scenes in the movie. Strip all those scenes away and the whole thing feels empty because the family has nothing to bounce off of. Those little details mean a LOT in the long run, and the Incredibles 2 missed that point entirely.
The german guy has the only scene that's even remotely memorable. The "Uncrush" bit was the closest the sequel had to reaching the first movie.
Matthew Gomez
I agreed, it was good but somewhat underwhelming.
Cameron Hall
I like NOES Freddy was perfect. His voice is buttery and creepy.
Jose Ward
>Completely fucking up the underminer's story after 14 fucking years
What story? He was just supposed to be a tease for an "And the adventure continues" type of ending. I find it weird that people treated that as a serious cliffhanger.
Logan Russell
How? The house is midcentury modern as all fuck and monorails as public transit has only ever been relevant to the 1960s optimistic futurism that Brad Bird made an entire movie jacking off to.
Samuel Morris
Going from "I AM CONQUERING THE SURFACE WORLD TO EXPAND MY UNDERGROUND KINGDOM" to "THIS IS ALL JUST AN ELABORATE SCHEME TO ROB A BANK" was a downgrade even if you didn't know about the video game.
Xavier Morgan
Fuck you, man. I was waiting all that time to see him completely fuck shit up.
Colton Miller
Was there some kind of production issue? Did Disney rush it or something?
Zachary Butler
this, I don't understand it either, its just the movies way of saying they're back at fighting villains other than Syndrome
Daniel Sanders
Shut up I'm trying to bitch about things.
Noah Taylor
>hate superheroes because of trauma as a child
>Luckily superheroes are already illegal
>Decide to make a plan to make superheroes SUPER illegal
Screenslaver was just a shittier syndrome. It honestly would have worked better if she was played straight as a normal supervillain.
Josiah Fisher
It made me rewatch the original and I forgot over all the sequels Freddy really got off on tricking the kids and Nancy especially that he was the innocent one.
Joseph Martinez
Yeah, first one was basically Disney's take on the Watchmen. Complete with a super getting sued over stopping a man from committing suicide.
Incredibles 2 felt like a safe summer sequel in every regard. Rehashing character stories with a watered down villain who hates supers for a stupider reason. I don't know if exec meddling stopped them from taking any risks with the characters, or if they just didn't have a strong plan for them going forward after all these years.
Caleb Hernandez
What was the main character's character arc in Incredibles 2, anyway?
In Incredibles 1, Mr. Incredible realizes that he was wrong to cling to what he'd lost as opposed to appreciating what he'd gained, and not to always go it alone.
In Incredibles 2, Elastigirl learns ?????
Nolan Young
Not adapting the Underminer video game and Boom comics.
Fuck, Screenslaver was just a shittier knock-off of Mezmerella.