Is it time to retire Frank Castle? Marvel treats him like the black sheep of the company...

Is it time to retire Frank Castle? Marvel treats him like the black sheep of the company, and naturally they're afraid to market him due to the political baggage surrounding him. Is it better for him to just be retired instead of being warped into something he's not or treated like shit?

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Best Punisher is the grumpy '80s action hero of the Potts/Lee and Dixon/JRJR era.

the world needs frank, now more then ever.

Does he really need to be retired? To what end? Just keep him in the back pocket as a potential guest star or villain or a team member, and street crime or organized crime ever become as big of a concern again, he'll have another day in the sun.

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Punisher Soviet was pretty good, and it wasn't really Frank's story. I guess that's the trick to do it right, use him as a gateway to real crime stories

>political baggage surrounding him
what makes Frank different than the other gazillion characters that kill including card carrying members of the Avengers like Wolverine black widow winter soldier elektra venom?

Frank is admittedly different given how real he is. Anyone can do what Frank does

Frank a proactive killer, Logan is a reactive killer.

Frank targets violent criminals, gangster thugs, the MAFIA/organized crime, rapists, molesters, corrupt cops, slavers, etc. You know, criminals that actually exist IRL. And whether the State, alone civilians, have the right to strip these criminals of their rights and outright execute them brings the political topic of capital punishment. Which is very controversial everywhere.

People can drop the whole topic of is killing someone wrong, when they deal with super villains and fictional terrorist groups, because they don't exist and in many times, like in the X-men, in comics it's self-defense against a group anti-mutant racists or mutant supremacists that actively target the heroes. Frank is the opposite: he's the antagonizer. He actively hunts his targets down even they have done nothing to him or plead for mercy.

No. They should just trot him out for limited series. The Max series was amazing when Frank was in a world without superheroes so maybe they can do that.

The Punisher is supposed to be controversial. Fuck Blue Line and BLM faggots about their cop shit.

Unironically, I think if they wanted to clean up the political baggage that comes with Punisher, they'd have to make him hardcore BLM, taking knees at football games and shit. People will burn their $100 Nike Shoes because Colin Kaepernick did one ad fir them. I don't think they're married that hard to the Punisher brand that they'd stick around if they went full Antifa.

Frank pops up in multiple ongoings, with a main role in Savage Avengers. Hardly avoided.

Wasn't he also one of the main leads in the last Ghost rider run as well.

Ennis is a sorta-lefty, so he writes Frank as pretty anti-cop.

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Yes, I too believe in extrajudicial killings.

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Frank's targets usually deserve zero mercy.

And there's another Epic collection for him coming out next year.

That's Jason Aaron you dumb fucking son of a bitch, Jesus fucking Christ

Well, one thing that Frank and Logan have in common is that they're willing to kill kids.

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they tried to rope in depressed vets with the latest series

he has three fucking movies

>blam
I am die thank you forever

To be fair, relatively speaking, everyone is a child compared to Wolverine given how old he is

Oh, my mistake. Ennis wouldn't write Frank risking his ass going after cops.

Here's Gerry Conway on the cop blue line shit:

What are your thoughts on the Punisher symbol being co-opted by police or the military?

>I've talked about this in other interviews. To me, it's disturbing whenever I see authority figures embracing Punisher iconography because the Punisher represents a failure of the Justice system. He's supposed to indict the collapse of social moral authority and the reality some people can't depend on institutions like the police or the military to act in a just and capable way.

>The vigilante anti-hero is fundamentally a critique of the justice sysytem, an eample of social failure, so when cops put Punisher skulls on their cars or members of the military wear Punisher skull patches, they're basically sides with an enemy of the system. They are embracing an outlaw mentality. Whether you think the Punisher is justified or not, whether you admire his code of ethics, he is an outlaw. He is a criminal. Police should not be embracing a criminal as their symbol.

>It goes without saying. In a way, it's as offensive as putting a Confederate flag on a government building. My point of view is, the Punisher is an anti-hero, someone we might root for while remembering he's also an outlaw and criminal. If an officer of the law, representing the justice system puts a criminal's symbol on his police car, or shares challenge coins honoring a criminal he or she is making a very ill-advised statement about their understanding of the law.

Also the Ravencroft and Scream series.

>If an officer of the law, representing the justice system puts a criminal's symbol on his police car, or shares challenge coins honoring a criminal he or she is making a very ill-advised statement about their understanding of the law.
But when a civilian does it it's a-ok!

#punchanazi

The fact that cops in real life actively idolize him and co-opt his skull to official police property, like painting on the hood of their cop car.

Of crooked cops. Frank going to war with the thin blue line would likely be an excellent run.

>Ennis wouldn't write Frank risking his ass going after cops.
He beats up two cops in Welcome Back Frank.

A bit of dirt in Frank's eye would do the character good, Punisherwank is just as obnoxious as Batwank.
Kill him off or stop making him rub shoulders with Spidey and Daredevil. Punisher works best when he's not involved with sliding timelines and superheroes.
ENTER. THE SHOCKER.