I'm 21 in "med school" (in the UK it's common to enter right after secondary/high school) and increasingly feel as if I should be putting all my effort into moving to muttville despite it being insanely difficult to pull off.
For starters the base pay is at least 2.5x more. Income tax is notably lower depending on the state, and everything appears to be notably cheaper whether it's electronics, cars or fuel or the big one, houses, which are FAR FAR cheaper (for example this in the absolute middle of nowhere in the UK would be $2mil+). Even healthcare seems cheaper since as far as I can tell healthcare is included with any half decent job yet alone doctor (whereas in the UK private is full self funded, NHS is competent but so fucking slow I'd like to go private myself), and even though it's a long way off when I have kids even fucking college seems cheaper since assuming they're "valedictorians" (like me) they'll probably get a scholarship even if it's too a local college (this just doesn't exist in the UK).
I also don't really agree with the politics here, there's very little belief in the idea you should be self sufficient and although I'm not a full on drumpfcel I'd be considered "far right" for believing in free speech, gun ownership, a smaller goverment etc. Weather also seems much nicer and although I've only ever been there a few weeks everyone just seems happier and not constantly seething at each other. Anyway I'm basically failing to see what the catch is for an intelligent, motivated person in the USA? I understand if you're a dumbass unable to get anything other than minimum wage it sucks, but this will obviously not apply to me or any kids I have. Is there ANYTHING I'm missing here?
If you are from an accredited school and don't need to take extra exams sure ,more uk positions for me : ^)
Robert Ward
>Is the USA legitimately that much better?
No.
>everyone just seems happier and not constantly seething at each other.
Oh my...
Easton Hernandez
So the NHS funds your degree, and you repay it by jumping ship at the first opportunity and heading for the States? Yikes, this is NOT what I've bee clapping for every Thursday evening
From a European perspective this is just insane, and yes I know it's a cheap area but compared to ANYWHERE in the UK it's still faaaar more than you'd get for £500k here.
After you finish “med school” in the UK you can just not do your house job iirc and come here and do residency if you pass some equivalency test. You are in a great position desu. Med school acceptance rates here are about 5% and you need a bachelors just to apply. I’m 23 and I’m still a loser trying to get into medschool. If I even get in when I’m trying to get in I’ll be 29 by the time I’m an MD, and then I have to do 5-7 years of residency before I even make $$$, during residency I would only make 60k.
Ian Wilson
>Is there ANYTHING I'm missing here? A woman for said kids I guess
Oliver Garcia
My brother is trying to get into med school and I've heard a lot about becoming a doctor. Its very competitive to the point where in some unis people don't even share their notes if you were absent one day. Grades can also fuck you up meaning that you could be rejected for having a C in your transcript. It does pay much more and being a doctor is something that can be useful. You'll spend a very long time in school though and take lots of loans so the high pay will be used to pay those off
Jordan Sanders
Not rich, grew up with an abusive single mother I cut contact with at 16 in a shitty council estate. Tell urself if it makes you feel better tho sweetie ;)
While this is a very valid point consider the following.
1) I'm not a slave and shouldn't be forced to take a shit wage 2) Every country has this issue. Loads of NHS doctors come from the third world. 3) I want the best for myself and eventual kids. That clearly seems to be in the USA. 4) If the NHS wanted to charge me $250k or whatever stupid amount is costs to train a doctor, I'd have been VERY happy to accept if they paid American wages.
It's not right to guilt trip people into accepting shit compensation.
Yes this is the case, got to do my final year placement there, pass a load of exams and then get intoa residency program where I'll be picked last because FMG. After that there are visa issues and likely being forced to work in rural iowa or somewhere I just wouldn't want to be. Cause of this and have a few years left I think it would be best to try marrying someone which dodges all the issues after residency, this is obviously a massive task though (not going to date someone I don't actually like plus have a gf at the moment) so need to dedicate myself to it fully.
>I'm not a slave and shouldn't be forced to take a shit wage
It's not a "shit wage" in the UK, you'll earn £80k or more as a consultant
>Every country has this issue. Loads of NHS doctors come from the third world
Yeah but the British taxpayer isn't heavily subsiding the cost of their training (which is exactly why we poach them)
>I want the best for myself and eventual kids. That clearly seems to be in the USA
Because you'll be on the breadline as a doctor in the UK, right? You just want to be super-rich, face the facts
>If the NHS wanted to charge me $250k or whatever stupid amount is costs to train a doctor, I'd have been VERY happy to accept if they paid American wages
So why didn't you train in the States?
Nathan Johnson
People get a free education here as doctors in some of the most desired university hospitals on the planet and they still move to the USA afterwards
Justin Lewis
Loads of people from poor countries like Poland get invested in but end up jumping ship as soon as a job offer from London arrives
Isaiah Jenkins
True, but that doesn't make it ok. Besides, with all the EU subsidies Poland receives, it's probably UK/German/French taxpayers who pay for Polish medical training AS WELL as our own anyway
Parker Kelly
>It's not a "shit wage" in the UK, you'll earn £80k or more as a consultant It's more like £120k after considering pension and CEA, doesn't change the fact that it's a lot less than I'm worth.
>Yeah but the British taxpayer isn't heavily subsiding the cost of their training Sure, but the NHS /taxpayer is fucking over poorer countries through even accepting them instead of paying more or making more places available. Not right or moral imo
>Because you'll be on the breadline as a doctor in the UK, right? You just want to be super-rich, face the facts I want to be paid what I'm worth, which the NHS does not pay.
>So why didn't you train in the States? It's borderline impossible.
Hudson Sullivan
Its still a net negative for Poland not to mention non EU countries who have a brain drain. I don't think you're wrong by saying that it shouldn't happen. Just saying that Britain is a beneficiary of the brain drain not the other way around
Carson Hall
>doesn't change the fact that it's a lot less than I'm worth
How have you worked that one out? What makes you worth so much more than others?
>Sure, but the NHS /taxpayer is fucking over poorer countries through even accepting them instead of paying more or making more places available. Not right or moral imo
If they invested more in training places (which they should do), then they'd have even less money for your salary, so I'm not sure why you've brought that up.
>It's borderline impossible
If you're qualified and willing to pay $250k in fees, I really doubt any US medical school would reject you
Liam Cox
It could probably be fine if you move to a big city and charm people with your accent, charm will get you very far in the states, but I'm not sure when bigger cities will be safe
or you could work in a rural hospital and find a nice farm wife and buy a cheap lot with tons of land
James Cooper
>If you're qualified and willing to pay $250k in fees, I really doubt any US medical school would reject you you're so incredibly wrong
Nathan Ward
Lmao brole people here eat each other for a chance to pay $250k in fees. You can't just pay your way into med school
Sebastian Thompson
>muttville
Lel, let’s see you repeat your basement dwelling Zig Forums meme irl here. I’d love to see little frail Nigel getting his jaw shattered and head crushed against sidewalk pavement as he gets KO’d by a big buck nigger or redneck white guy
Juan Cook
>How have you worked that one out? What makes you worth so much more than others?
Other countries where I could easily get in and work pay much more. True for loads of healtchare professionals
>If they invested more in training places (which they should do), then they'd have even less money for your salary, so I'm not sure why you've brought that up. The solution is to give the NHS more funding so healthcare professionals can be paid more AND more doctors can be trained.
>If you're qualified and willing to pay $250k in fees, I really doubt any US medical school would reject you It is effectively impossible unless you're rich or a true genius. It's much harder to get a job there after UK medical school but it is possible
Jacob Ward
Texan here from the same general area. That neighborhood is nice but that suburb has a lot of problems with violent Mexican gangs and general African-American crime. If you were moving to the Dallas area you would want to live in a whiter suburb like Grapevine, Frisco, Fairview, or Allen. Also from May to September the temperatures range from 30-45c. The only Brit I've met here moved back to the UK after his contract was up because he couldn't get used to the heat.
Levi Martinez
I’m start grad entry med this year, I’ll be too old to leave this cunt by the time I’m finished I think
But you have the right idea, doctors in Ireland too get a pretty raw deal with a 35K base salary for junior doctors (less than tram drivers), and 50% tax over 35K earnings it is a joke.
>and even though it's a long way off when I have kids even fucking college seems cheaper since assuming they're "valedictorians" (like me) they'll probably get a scholarship even if it's too a local college (this just doesn't exist in the UK).
can’t you just send them back to bongland for college? I think (I hope) we can do that in Ireland
I wonder how hard the USMLE really is desu
Andrew Hall
If he had the qualifications as well, what's the problem? Are US medical schools in the habit of turning away capable paying customers? Do they have no international students whatsoever?
>Other countries where I could easily get in and work pay much more
You didn't say that you could earn more than others (I know that already), you said you're worth more. What makes you worth more?
>The solution is to give the NHS more funding so healthcare professionals can be paid more AND more doctors can be trained
Well of course you'd say that. Interesting you'd propose greater taxpayer funding into the health system when you're proposing to move to a country where publicly-funded healthcare barely exists
Adam Ortiz
You can send your kids anywhere in college. Its just much more expensive for them to study abroad than it is to study at home. In my state the state uni has very high fees for out of state kids
Henry Martinez
I'm going to give you the actual best advice you will ever get off this stupid fucking website. how about you take a trip to the place you want to live in the US and stay there for at least a month to see if you like it or not.
Nathaniel Richardson
He'd have to have near perfect grades. Its very competitive. Also, he'd most likely be paying out of state fees. I never paid them but saw the numbers for my uni and it's almost double for what I pay
Dylan Mitchell
>Are US medical schools in the habit of turning away capable paying customers? Pic related is the acceptances last year for my local med school. Getting into med school is a lot harder than just being rich. Actually being poor makes it easier.
Yeah ireland sounds the same as here, although it isn't 50% bad,
I'm not sure, but the USA legitimately seems cheaper if you're actually talented since it's subsidised through scholarships/bursaries. In the UK you'll be coming out with about £50k debt for a 4 year degree, just with a very favourable loan.
As far as I know the medical exams in the US are pretty difficult compared to the UK, and the bar is set much higher for internationals. Then and again in the UK at least the academic bar is very low, think it's AAA which is like top 10% of A level studnets
Nicholas Gomez
>It's not a "shit wage" in the UK, you'll earn £80k or more as a consultant
It takes >4 years undergrad to allow you to apply for >4 years medicine to allow you to apply for >1 year intern to allow you to apply for >2 years basic training to allow you to apply for >4 years specialist training to allow you to apply for actually being a consultant in my cunt.
Consider all that, 80K is a shit wage
Luke Allen
Fuken LOL 4000 people who worked day and night to be doctors after it's been their life's dream didn't even get an interview
Matthew Martinez
not worth; you would have to learn a whole new language
Mason Bennett
Hate to tell you, but you missed the gravy train to successville. The US is a dying. An empire rotten to its core with political and moral corruption.
Yeah unfortunately I think a US style system is the only solution. Sorry ;)
Jonathan Gutierrez
But you start earning a salary after the 4 years undergrad though, right? It would be stupid if you just earned £80k immediately after graduating, pretty much every career (e.g. consultancy, accounting, HR) requires you to do additional post-university training and accreditation before you are able to progress to senior positions
>Cause I'll be a doctor? All of us are worth more
But why? Clearly you feel like you have the God-given right to a salary which is several times higher than other trained professionals, so why is that?
Doctors are so fucking arrogant, all this clapping has gone to your head
>Yeah unfortunately I think a US style system is the only solution. Sorry
So why in your last post did you say you want greater public investment in healthcare? Think you need to consider your political stance a bit more carefully
Easton Anderson
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Isaac Rogers
They're cunts here too. Bearly do anything and get paid bank. Hope that my life will never depend on a judge, a cop, and a fucking doctor because it's just a dice roll. The system here makes it so there's a shortage of doctors artificially raising their salary
Isaac Gray
Oh come on didn't realise you meant that. Not many can become doctors and it takes forever.
Let's see you say that when ones saving your life ;)
Well that's the only way to solve this without going private, but tax is already way too high. There's no easy answer.
Carter White
In my experience a lot of them are really fucking incompetent too. Not always the case I'm sure, but it's probably been true in about 75% of mine and my family's dealings with them
Logan Smith
>But you start earning a salary after the 4 years undergrad though, right? No, you only earn after you graduate medicine, so 8 years after leaving school (there is also 5 year or 6 year medicine courses straight out of school and then start earning)
>It would be stupid if you just earned £80k immediately after graduating, pretty much every career (e.g. consultancy, accounting, HR) requires you to do additional post-university training and accreditation before you are able to progress to senior positions
Well obviously, 80K immediately is too much but why would doctors from either Ireland or Britain stay in countries where their pay is lower and getting raped by tax, with a higher cost of living when they can just jump ship to Australia or America for an easier job without those problems?
Also you don’t get a consultancy job without having done significant research, getting published in decent journals multiple times and having spent time working abroad too.
