I really hate to say it but the biggest winner by far out of all of this will be China. The slew of articles coming out about how the Quad Alliance is coming together and the world is wising up to China and getting mad at them might all be true, but they’re also just clickbait for people who want to satisfy their anti-Chinese bias. Countries are still heavily dependent on the Chinese market and their manufacturing all exists in the mainland. China has become THE economic force in the world and is invested all over the place, from Southeast Asia to Western and Eastern Europe to Pakistan to Eastern Africa. People might hate and loathe China for the coronavirus, human rights, and their aggressive foreign policy, but at the end of the day people desire higher living standards, growth, profits, and economic prosperity, and those desires outweigh China’s disastrous international record and aggressive government. America has an established political-military alliance leftover from the Cold War. China had a budding and flourishing economic network. China’s greatest achievement will be obtaining hegemonic status in the world not with bullets and votes but with dollars and loans. And just like how battleships were antiquated by aircraft carriers and knights were antiquated by longbowmen, the US has not yet realized that hard power has been antiquated by soft power.
yeah except xi is a retard who's pissed away all the careful work hu did
Daniel Cox
Good, it's time your reign of terror ends
Blake Barnes
How do you figure?
Anthony Jenkins
it is good that China is suppressing antifa, journalists, muslims, and australians
Jace Bell
American liberal is a breathing HIV. They fucked up this world and boosted China.
Matthew Harris
please elaborate i am interested I thought Xi was supposed to be a huge dynamo?
Cameron Miller
I think it’s less any political group in the US so much as basically everyone presumed that China would develope a domestic democracy given China became capitalist and opened up in fact, China’s history, government, and culture is simply incompatible with liberal western democracy not saying this in a racist way but even Lee Kuan Sew spotted this decades ago when he told the CIA China would collapse if it became a democracy same as how Russians have difficulty staying away from authoritarian leaders. Russia’s precarious geography, developmental insecurity, history and culture, great power desire, and pariah identity all demand strong leadership that embodies and leads the state and can get things done Gorbachev meant well, but his policies collapsed the USSR so he is reviled while Stalin, despite all the bad things he did, is lauded and now they have Putin in charge. because he’s competent and powerful same in China. they operate off of strong hierarchal and family oriented ideas and would not succeed with a democracy just a totally different framing of the world
no he's like a chinese trump just pissing everyone off to pander to an imagined audience of nationalists, he thinks he's the next mao zedong
Dominic Roberts
I thought he WAS the next big thing since Mao? is this what Chinese think of him?
Zachary Sanchez
Not even a cope when I say this but no, xi really didn’t. Xi is an interesting guy and I borderline admire him but China was having some trouble before but now they are in a dangerous position. China is rich because Americans buy shit from them. If you have no customers, you just have shit. Companies are moving out of China now in favor of places like India or Mexico for americans. China has become vastly loathed with large swathes if the world coming to mistrust them. China pissed away the soft power they had with this pandemic. All the US needed to do was to get rid of Trump to be more desirable again. China also literally cannot become a hegemony as of right now. They have little power projection capabilities and why they grew so much was due part to how countries labeled it developing. That title can easily be removed and China will be treated much differently. Then you have aging demographics (rapidly becoming like japan, average American is younger than average Chinese now) and you have a country essentially running on limited time. They need until 2050 to become a global superpower and their limit ends about the late 2020s when their population ages and they can no longer grow their military due to their welfare state needing so much money. China also has the highest credit of any place in history, their entire system is about shitting out more loans because money means something else in China. It is a massive bubble which is why certain Chinese people buy land in the US, it’s capital flight, and US land is a safe asset. This is also the assumption that companies can’t move factories somewhere else. China only works like it has been under certain conditions that can easily break.
Also you’re a complete fool if you think the US has no soft power. America’s soft power is deep, entrenched, massive, and in many places you wouldn’t expect. The only place it really pissed it’s soft power away was the Middle East.
Jonathan Williams
Tbh most Chinese people think he's a retard. In the West, he's portrayed as some sort of anime supervillain, but everyone in mainland China knows him as the guy who failed middle school.
Luis Evans
BTW regarding the middle school bit, that means a lot more than you think. Because he dropped out, he didn't learn all of the Chinese runes, so when he gives a speech he'll occasionally come to a word he doesn't know and embarrass himself.
Ryan Morris
If they think that then I hate to say it but China might unironically collapse, and I use that statement very conservatively.
Landon Reyes
Well it's a bit different. The Chinese don't really like him but they do still support the CCP government, which mostly gathers support on the local instead of federal level. There's not really the association that Xi=the government. Partially this is because Chinese people have no power regarding the central government anyway, but they do have the power to elect their local officials. So the Chinese generally care more about their local government than whatever emperor is in the capital. This benefits both parties, since local communities get invested in improving themselves, and Beijing doesn't have to worry about the peasants coming after their head.
Chinese people like their local governments and credit them with improving their lives, but are generally apathetic about the central government. And this was true in the old dynasties as well. Since the Qin fell, China has been centralized in the sense that legally the central government has absolute authority, but the central government still needed had to walk a tightrope on using that power, because if they tried too hard the people would just revolt and kill them. Why do you think all the regional identities spring up among the same ancient lines in every rebellion? It's been more or less just a federalized Zhou dynasty for the last 2000 years, and with a country of that size, it's probably the best case scenario anyway. It's honestly kind of weird that in the US people focus on the president and consider their state an afterthought if you think about how actually massive the US is.
Anyway, all this means the prevailing idea among most Chinese people is to wait until he gets out of power so someone intelligent can take over. Now if the next person is also a retard AND he tries to control the local governments, China might actually revolt .
Jaxon Wood
what’s your actual proof of this? all this seems made up Xi literally rose up the ranks and purged all his rivals from the party he’s far from incompetent and seems to be leading an invincible china how the fuck do any Chinese interpret he’s not a dynamo, not even mentioning the pro-administration propaganda they have in China?
Oh yeah, IRRC most Chinese people were actually furious at the central government in the early months of the pandemic for encroaching on their local communities and pretty much blamed Beijing for everything. It's only the comparatively poor response in the west that made them settle down.
Jonathan Baker
why would the poor response in the west settle them down? because they assume other developed countries fucked up their response, then it’s not an embarrassment/unusual their own country fucked up?
>because they assume other developed countries fucked up their response, then it’s not an embarrassment/unusual their own country fucked up? Yes, essentially. They didn't like that they saw the central government entering their communities and conducting heavy-handed lockdowns.
Luis Green
Take a look at China’s population pyramid and compare it to 1980. Also take a look at their labor pool, average age, and fertility rate. The retarded one child policy has ruined their demographics and they are heading for a Japan-tier demographic crisis times 10. It’s unfortunate, because even if they try to reverse it the birth rate is already too low and they no longer have a culture where more than 2 kids is normal.
Jackson Harris
This
>Who cares if most governments and peoples hate China. It's not like they have any power.
Spoken like a true retard.
Adam Edwards
Xi put china into super saiyan mode and if you don't see how you're frankly retarded
Joshua Reyes
>Who cares if most governments and peoples hate China. It's not like they have any power. Only anglos and anglo spawns believe this. No one cares about china.
Hudson Johnson
Name three East Asian countries on friendly terms with China. Exactly. Xi fucked up all the hard work Deng and his successors put into diplomacy. And now with companies leaving China already for Indonesia and Vietnam, what is China going to have left?
Henry Thomas
As for being heavily dependent on the Chinese market, companies could do business with both the West and China. It's soon looking like if they pander to China, they lose Western support, and vice versa, that is the design of the peoples' hatred to China. Eventually, the Chinese market will diminish in power, as it has a trade-off to the equally lucrative Western market - and when I say Western, I include Japan, India, Korea, etc. Anyone who hates China, basically.
Gabriel Smith
Germany, France and UK certainly hate China. I don't know about Spain, but then again no one cares about Spain.
Zachary Gutierrez
>hate China Delusion. No one cares about maintaining shart hegemony except shart themselves. China ingrains its influence over time in europe.
He's exaggerating. Xi attended Tsinghua and got a degree in Chem Engineering in the end.
However Xi does make mistakes in his use of 成語 and classical Chinese. Other leaders in the word can't use latin or whatever ancient language of their ancestors but Chinese autism about getting it right goes very far. Especially when he is supposed to go to Tsinghua and today's students will all know that shit since they are the best of the best.
Maybe they should try "modernizing" it a bit to sound less pretentious but then that would be attacking our own culture.
