That's why you came to me, isn't it captain? Because you knew I could do those things that you weren't capable of doing. Well, it worked. And you'll get what you wanted: a war between the Romulans and the Dominion. And if your conscience is bothering you, you should soothe it with the knowledge that you may have just saved the entire Alpha Quadrant, and all it cost was the life of one Romulan senator, one criminal... and the self-respect of one Starfleet officer. I don't know about you, but I'd call that a bargain
That's why you came to me, isn't it captain? Because you knew I could do those things that you weren't capable of doing...
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Cameron Sanders
Fraaaaaaaaaaaaank
we had to hear it from your own lippsssssssssssssss
Oliver Johnson
Based Garak (Andrew Robinson)
Amazing show.
Carson Cox
Voyager is better.
Gabriel Parker
Hunter Rodriguez
Absolutely amazing episode
Jeremiah Brown
I couldn't imagine being this tasteless.
Outside of a few good episodes Voyager is literally just oscillating between treading water and dumbing down Star Trek.
Wyatt Ross
Anthony Myers
I like how Garak was later allowed to serve on Starfleet bridges after attempting to genocide an entire planet, really shows the deep worldbuilding and importance of serialization on DSN.
Andrew Smith
Lucas Taylor
Being trained in the Obsidian Order must have taken its toll on Garak.
Bentley Bailey
Maybe Worf and Sisko swept it under the rug considering how paranoid and tense everyone was during the Dominion War.
Christian Bennett
Good storytelling always starts with fans coping with "Maybes"
Zachary Turner
>I like how Garak was later allowed to serve on Starfleet bridges after attempting to genocide an entire planet
Well.. Meanwhile, federation's secret police, "Section 31" was coincidentally developing a biological weapon engineered to genetically target and kill any Founder infected with it and their best minds projected the war could cost billions of lives
Nathan Martinez
The whole point of Garak was that he was seemingly so benign but was actually one of the most terrifying people in the Alpha Quadrant. It was always hard to gauge his true intentions and motivations. It is well within his character so create a scenario where he could believably be placed on a bridge despite his alleged reputation
Ryan Adams
The concept of Voyager was dead the second it had no stakes. If the whole show was like Year of Hell, it could have been the best Star Trek show ever.
Jaxson Long
>If the whole show was like Year of Hell, it could have been the best Star Trek show ever.
William Brooks
You mean like how Data could at any point decide to kill everyone on the Enterprise-D with minimal effort and no one could ever truly know if his evil twin brother was impersonating him?
Jason Thompson
The biggest mistake of DS9's Section 31 was going after an autist like Bashir. If Sloan had approached O'brien or even Dax instead, things would have gone their way
Carson White
If you like your shitty version of TNG, that's your business soi poster.
Elijah Hernandez
He could have ended the Dominion war right there...
Daniel Allen
My take on it was that not only was Bashir an expert in his field, he was genetically augmented for intelligence, they were specifically poaching his personal skill set for their project
David Wright
No he’s right about that. If you’re going to go through the trouble of isolating the ship from the whole federation, then fucking do something with it
Joshua Morris
I don't think it would have been the best Trek ever but it would have been unique and interesting. Voyager is stranded without support from the Federation, being desperate, struggling to keep the ship going, fighting for supplies, questioning the relevance of the Federation's rules, that would have made the show interesting and unique.
Instead they just tried to make knock off TNG comfy Trek with worse characters and writers.
Carter Evans
Story on that land bridge connecting India and Somalia?
Luke Long
Yeah but O'Brien and Dax were both war criminals, they would have been more open to covert shit.
Isaiah Johnson
They did that idea with the Xindi arc of ENT and it was really lame and gay
Jaxson Perry
They had a nuclear war followed by nuclear winter. The sea level dropped as the ice caps expanded and a land bridge between Somalia and Ethiopia appeared.
Jace Green
The Xindi arc was the best arc on Enterprise. Its only weakness was the time travel shenanigans.
Jonathan Allen
They didn't need O'Brien or Dax or anyone else on DS9 (well, except Odo but he would never play ball). Bashir had unique mental talents that interested them.
Owen Sullivan
They kind of thought he would be turn out to be a sort of Khan 2.0 that worked for Sec31...they didnt realize he was a turbo autist
Dylan Lopez
Star Trek is not a show that was ever meant to be gritty and dark. Making an entire arc based off 9/11 and throwing in as much edge as possible unironically resulted in one of the worst storylines to ever appear in Trek and killed ENT long before it was finished with the material it wanted to feature.
Aaron Rogers
just watched this episode last night. haha howd u know. 0_0
Henry Nelson
Yeah but Dax is a lose cannon and Obrian is Obrian
Kayden Barnes
I don't think a stranded ship fighting to get home is particularly edgy. Possibly depressing yes, but not edgy, unless the crew start acting overly retarded and the writers have a kill boner. Done well the concept of Voyager would have been more uplifting than not because Janeway could gone full diplomacy on most situations outside the Borg. Instead she went insane multiple times.
Matthew Gonzalez
>Star Trek is not a show that was ever meant to be gritty and dark.
This thread literally starts with a quote from In the Pale Moonlight that proves you wrong.
Go watch The Terror season 1. Its a story about sailors facing adversity and desperation, some of them with honor, some of them with cowardice, some with heroism, some with treachery.
The central theme of Star Trek is the nature of duty. It doesn't have to be set on a comfy cruise ship.