The prequels recalled silent-era hollywood. That's why they're so stilted, it's intentional. But why didn't audiences or critics understand?
The prequels recalled silent-era hollywood. That's why they're so stilted, it's intentional...
Brandon Smith
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Jaxson Reed
Lucas wanted it to be a mythical epic. It's intentionally larger than life. You're watching a myth, not what "actually" happened. This is why Anakin is an overacting sperg, he's supposed to drip pathos, like how Shakespearean characters do. The characters even monologue.
It turned out rather silly, but I can't blame Lucas for trying it, he was writing the downfall of the Mythical Golden Age in one of the two most important myths to America (The Holocaust is the other; this is unrelated to whether 6million Jews died or not, reread this line a few times if you still don't get it). And at the very least Lucas had unequivocal success with Revenge of the Sith, which even a lot of normie morons will admit is good.
Beyond all of the epic myth implications of the prequels, there's another decidedly stylistic reason for the dialogue and acting. The OT was filmed in the late 70s/early 80s and was a product of the American New Wave in cinema, which is why it was gritty and why the main cast and their dialogue sounded like something out of Butch Cassidy and The Sundance Kid or Midnight Cowboy. The prequels, otoh, were meant to take place 20-30 years before the OT, and Lucas made them look/sound like movies from the 1940s on purpose, right down to the dialogue and how they were acted. Watch TPM, AOTC, or ROTS back to back with some pulpy B-movie or noir flick and you'll see what I mean.
I'm honestly surprised that Lucas never released the prequels in black and white to truly drive the point home.
Chase Clark
>But why didn't audiences or critics understand?
The Star Wars prequels prove that method acting and “realism” are overrated, and the backlash to the films prove that modern audiences are the problem with today’s cinema.
Sometimes acting, like art, is about conveying sentiments, not necessarily portraying a 1-1 recreation of reality.
Its a craft that is well understood in the art of theater and silent films.
Ian McDirmind, for example, is not a particularly realistic actor but he’s an effective one, and in a space opera that’s all that matters.
This “no fun allowed” era of filmmaking brought by Gen X is really tiresome.
Anything not conforming to norm and "muh realistic" acting is seen by the armchair internet critic group as bad. Same with Nicolas Cage for instance.
Attack of the Clones is visually beautiful — many of the scenes people rag on for looking unrealistic look beautiful in a more impressionistic style.
The characters are deep and well developed — they are exposed in a sensational manner, but the desire for naturalistic presentation is not a better desire than that for heightened drama.
The action scenes are exciting and aesthetic — the outbreak of the clone wars, and the confrontations between Obi-Wan and Jango are top-tier.
The backlash to them shows the problem with internet film critics. Nothing is allowed to be genuine anymore, everything needs to be perpetually self-aware at all times. Any attempt at depicting genuine beauty, or love, or excitement, is scoffed at and derided, no matter how successful or unsuccessful the attempts are. This is a byproduct of a nihilistic, self-centered culture, which only consumes that which affirms their own depraved state, and attempts nothing to change it.
There are some issues with Attack of the Clones, but all films have issues, and I'd rather judge a piece of art by its triumphs than it faults, which is a notion considered heresy by today’s armchair internet critics.
Camden Sanders
Quality post. Once you realize that whether or not something works within the context of it's own universe is more important than whether or not it's "realistic" it sets you free.
Jacob Lewis
>downfall of the Mythical Golden Age in one of the two most important myths to America
what exactly is this myth "the downfall of the Mythical Golden Age" it's not quite ringing a bell, though i agree about your other myth
Jackson Wilson
you're making it sound like it pulled off looking Classical or something, but the cgi-columns in the big jedi temple look like plastic. Everything from the supposed Golden Age looks like cheap plastic
Jackson Bailey
The problem with the prequels is that they were too smart. People don't want to see engaging political drama and a beautifully constructed romance. No. People want to see "laser swords xD" and "yoda xDDD". The fact that the characters were well-written and were developed make the drooling retards confused. They should just stick with MCU movies. It was too different for monkey brains to comprehend. That you could tell stories in the same universe but not use the same tropes was a unique concept lost on the majority of viewers.
Nathan Scott
>internet film critics
such as this one? I dunno though i could sort of humor your point of view until you brought this up because the only thing i know to be true from my own genuine direct lived experience is that people hated the fuck out of the movies when they came out and not because of going on the internet. If i had it then all i was looking at was perfect dark screenshots.
Like whether there was some internet response on bulletin boards then doesn't matter because at that time "internet opinions" were decidedly not respected
Connor Wood
Based post. So much stillness in every shot.
Josiah Morales
>and not because of going on the internet.
Reddit mindset exists outside of the internet.
Caleb Rodriguez
Revenge of the Sith is unironically one of the most important films of our time, but sadly a huge portion of the Star Wars fanbases chooses to take Mr. Pinklett's (whose persona is a blatant self-parody) nitpicking as the Gospel instead of heeding the film's warnings about unrestrained militarism, consolidation of power under a single authority, and the dire consequences of allowing democratic government to corrode
Kayden Rogers
Based in the supreme. you can’t defend against this
Jace Roberts
I'd like to put my stilted, silent-era HollyWOOD in that critic!
Anthony Gomez
i'm not clicking fucking *lex jones there's really no place for sch*zo energy in a prequels thread
Grayson White
Can someone help me I think the Worley prequels-are-art video is on the one hand the funniest thing i've ever heard of, but on the other hand I can't stand to watch past like 1 minute becuase of the.. i don't know, not 'cringe'..not groan.. it's like a feeling of losing my breath (haha bout de souffle .. he uses alphaville in his video) so
how can i. how can i.. get the funnies. Maybe someone can transcribe the video without his draining voice? though it's the shots too
Benjamin Bell
I like Alex's explanation, but that doesn't change that the acting and terrible special effects make it unenjoyable to watch any scene of the movies. Lucas could have told the same story but had it not be badly executed on every level
Wyatt Lee
Here’s a low effort reply for a low effort thread
Julian Morgan
Charles Hughes
watch it with captions and mute it
Kayden Ramirez
This was a good idea put me on the path to even better idea which is -who the fuck knew - youtube has transcripts you just click three dots below the video and go 'open transcript'
Jacob Sullivan
always believed this and always agreed. it was ambitious in scope, its just missing that bit of glue that would stick it together. some of the scenes are just unnecessary, qui gon's character needed to be more of the focus of the first movie, to really drive home how the last of the real jedi died with him.
Lucas Edwards
I think this comment encapsulates aspergers pretty well. Thanks user.
Jace Anderson
>Ambitious etc.
There's a Lucas quote at the start of the Worley video
>when Star Wars came out everybody said oh it's a silly movie, it's just a bunch of space battles and stuff it's not real, there's nothing behind it I said well, there is stuff behind it's not just a space battle there's more to it than that it's much much more complicated than that. but nobody would listen
Can someone tell me what the FUCK he means? because it certainly didn't show up in his prequels muddle with their grand scale but trivial depth
Daniel Harris
Who is it on the left?
She is so cute
I have seen some behind the scene videos during the prequel campaigning years and there were quite a few cuties among the staff
...I don't think I have met cute people at work since then...
Oliver Hernandez
>who is on the left
aw, someone noticed her for once. Shame it's only online
Nathaniel Jenkins
ignore all action sequences, which while they place the mood and scope of how the story expands, but think of the characters and how their motivations cause these events to unfold. see how the characters loftier goals, desires and beliefs influence the galaxy. the prequels depth does fail to come across, which is the real problem, but what the story was supposed to convey was how a spiritual, guiding presence of the universe (the jedi knights) are progressively corrupted by the "oh its just the situation right now, we'll just compromise our values and neutrality and commitment towards peace to become political advisors and wartime generals *for a LITTLE while*" and how it gives way to the downfall of the civilization they swore to protect. a series of short steps to a long fall (mace windu's death is a visual metaphor), how the tiny little temptations laid out by the ultimate evil (palpatine/satan) seduce even the vigilant
Joseph James
hmm ok. not too bad i guess
Angel Johnson
>i am in awe about the infatuation of the american boomer with space nazi
wew, disney is really lucky to have an easy audience.
Alexander Scott
I am glad Ppl say they like to watch rehash cliché stories about simps and sluts. I wonder if this comes from their single moms making them watch soap operas with them.
Noah Robinson
>simps and sluts
I don't really follow how that maps onto Eps. 1 to 3
Andrew Morales
>which is the real problem, but what the story was supposed to convey was how a spiritual, guiding presence of the universe (the jedi knights) are progressively corrupted by the "oh its just the situation right now, we'll just compromise our values and neutrality and commitment towards peace to become political advisors and wartime generals *for a LITTLE while*" and how it gives way to the downfall of the civilization they swore to protect. a series of short steps to a long fall (mace windu's death is a visual metaphor), how the tiny little temptations laid out by the ultimate evil (palpatine/satan) seduce even the vigilant
ho okey so the usual whining of the secular humanists who keeps dreaming about how great their republic is. I like to think about the brainlets who quote the retards saying preferring freedom over security is wrong, never fails to give me a kick.
Joseph Brooks
Reminder that romantic comedies, in books, were always seen as trash. Until feminists took power.
Reminder that women are not born pure, but are born sluts and that there is no difference between a romcom and a roastie flick. Romcoms have always been about love triangle, cuckoldry and bdsm, swapping sex providers for other sex providers.
They just show the sex scenes now because women say it is okay to be sluts in public now.
women hate their shows & books changing, they just want the same story over and over and over. this is why soap operas have been running over 30 years with zero change in their stories. THe characters never ever change.
WOmen IRL and the characters on romance novels have the same life, so the story cannot change.
Plus there is not much stories you can write about sex: love triangle, secret betrayal and cuckoldry is the only way to go with sex stories.