>hurr murder wops are good because they kill heroin dealers
This film series is glorifying complete rapist murdering psychos. what a bunch of bullshit
Hurr murder wops are good because they kill heroin dealers
Ryder Martinez
Henry Edwards
what
Ian Cook
godfather glorifies a bunch of wops when they're just murdering thugs.
Henry Walker
ok
Logan Sanchez
I was just making some lunch -- would you like a tuna sandwich?
Aaron Myers
She calls Michael "Mr. Paul" one time. I think she's completely clueless as to the criminal aspects of Hyman Roth so I'm glad Michael didn't stoop to his level and try to kill her too.
Juan Anderson
I think Roth probably told Marcia that he has a friend coming over, a "Mr. Paul".
Roth didn't try to have Kay killed, it just happened to be their bedroom...and that was in to avenge Moe Green, someone he loved and trusted like a brother, and he used Fredo to do it.
I always thought the Moe Greene kill was a bad idea, Moe Greene, Fredo, and Johnny Fontane were all friends, if Moe Greene was Catholic instead of Jewish he might have been godfather to one of the kids on their side.
I've always wondered what Johnny Fontane thought of Michael, Michael killed a lot of family friends, you could say also a lot of family friends turned on Michael, but it's a snowball effect.
Easton Wilson
>>hurr murder wops are good because they kill heroin dealers
Charles Myers
>Roth didn't try to have Kay killed, it just happened to be their bedroom...
Not by direct intention, but the gunners would have killed Michael and anyone else in the room at that time. That could have meant Kay, or his children, or anyone else. The entire reason Micahel turned gangster is to protect his family, and it's the one time in the films he completely loses his cool.
>I always thought the Moe Greene kill was a bad idea, Moe Greene, Fredo, and Johnny Fontane were all friends, if Moe Greene was Catholic instead of Jewish he might have been godfather to one of the kids on their side.
Just think about it. Moe Greene is stealing from the Casino, he slaps Michael around, he refuses to sell, and he is about to make a deal with Barzini. The Corleone's sold their Olive oil business, and they need a foothold in Las Vegas, and the Casino-hotel is how they are gonna do it. It must be done, and if Greene isn't gonna sell they need to remove him. Having the Barzini family own that Casino gives them too much of an advantage and the Corleone's at a disadvantage. Why not buy another hotel-casino? Well they already part own this one, so this is likely the cheapest option.
On top of that, we learn that Greene had the backing of Hyman Roth the whole time. Roth was always a snake and was gonna fight the Corleone family even if Greene wasn't killed.
Josiah Smith
>I always thought the Moe Greene kill was a bad idea
The way Michael went about it was very careless, yes. He was high on hubris and decided to take out Greene since he was already dealing with the Five Families. I don't think he thought through the implications enough. He could tried to go about it another way.
That said, Greene's days were numbered anyway. He slapped around a Corleone in public - that alone is enough to get you killed. Throw in the casino business and Greene not appreciating the power of the Corleones and it seems inevitable that he had to go.
Hudson Reyes
Part 2 is literally about how the mafia life destroys Michael's good nature
Samuel Davis
>He slapped around a Corleone in public - that alone is enough to get you killed.
In context he just treated him like an employee, and he might have actually gotten too friendly with Fredo. Fredo and Moe were clearly actual friends though Moe might have just been using him. I imagine him and Roth were meeting with Fredo and planting seeds to increase his resentment.
Juan Harris
I'm sure that was the case, but do you think that would matter to Michael or the rest of the family? The mafia's power resides in their reputation - you don't disrespect them or they'll kill you. If they let Greene treat Fredo like that, even if they were friends, then they'd lose respect and some of their power. It would invite attacks on them since enemies would perceive it as a weakness.
The fundamental problem was that Michael, unlike Vito, forgot about family. He didn't value Fredo enough (even if he was a dumbfuck) to keep him happy which drove him into the arms of Greene and Roth.
Andrew Mitchell
Michael was a marine who previously kept out of the family business, he did NOT know the lay of the land, the careful FRIENDSHIPS his father established as a base of power rather than blunt force.
The ONLY one Michael truly got as a friend was Al Neri, somebody who was his because they were mutual idealists who believed in America and then was dropped in the deep. Michael having been a war hero. Al Neri having been an honest cop.
Al Neri is a very capable killer and way smarter than Luca Brasi, but he's just One Guy, and he's there to support and follow Michael's order, he won't argue with him the way Tom did with Sonny when mistakes were being made -- at the mid point of the first movie, Vito was too tired to anyways.
Evan Sanders
>. I imagine him and Roth were meeting with Fredo and planting seeds to increase his resentment.
If Moe Greene was anything like the real figure he was based on, I doubt he thought that far, he loved the casino business because he loved the glamour and entertaining people, I bet there were plenty of stars he gave free chips too, part of the reason why the casino was in the reds -- though that's a part of building client base -- this was at first a DESERT. Bugsy Siegel had money problem too.
Both Bugsy Siegel and Moe Greene were handsome guys that was very charming and popular, it wasn't just power and money that had people liking and loving them.
On my first few watch of The Godfather I actually thought it was Johnny Fontane and not Johnny Ola who phoned Fredo while he was in bed with his wife.
>Part 2 is literally about how the mafia life destroys Michael's good nature
That would be Kay, who was always ready to 潑冷水 splash cold water over any good moments that Michael have. They were dancing together when Kay reminded him it's been 7 years when he had promised 5 -- well going legit is no cake walk - it would have been faster if Kay wasn't such a drag, but she was.
Asher Powell
>irish organized crime
>italian organized crime
>mexican organized crime
Are catholics the niggers of christianity?
Luis Long
Yes and 2 makes this explicit, contrasting Vito building up relationships positively, helping out the community and collecting favours in return, only using violence when necessary, with Michael who is quick to concoct a dark and violent plan to kill all his enemies.
I wish Al Neri got more characterisation in the films, he just kind of shows up along the way and nothing is ever really said about him.
Colton Cruz
I never quite understood why he went back to Kay. Apollonia was the ideal wife for him - she made him happy, was from the same heritage, understood the culture. Kay was always cold by contrast, I never understood what was desirable about her. And I've always been slightly resentful that the sins are presented as being all on Michael when she literally got an abortion out of spite, which is incredibly heartless.
Joseph Foster
The issue is that the family forgot about Fredo and when they sent him to Vegas, Roth-Ola-Greene buttered him up and became his new friends. All Fredo wanted was some respect.
Although, even though Fredo doesn't seem too bad, and might be the nicest of the Corleones, he was complicit in the murder of that teenage whore to frame the senator. It was his nightclub/whorehouse remember.
Evan Lewis
Have you ever tried not being a faggot?
Lucas Harris
I think Michael went back to Kay to better manage the situation with his children.
Check tumblr, there are actually lots of girls who thought Kay as a bitch to Michael, surprisingly, though they probably wouldn't have if Young Al Pacino weren't so hot.
Cameron Brown
>The ONLY one Michael truly got as a friend was Al Neri,
Oh great a fucking psychopath? No way I'd let that guy anywhere near my kids even if I was part of the "Family". Also I can't remember Al Neri having any speaking roles.
Connor Baker
The mafia was actually involved with the production of this movie and made them remove all references to "the mob" and "mafia" from the script
Samuel James
>I never quite understood why he went back to Kay. Apollonia was the ideal wife for him -
Cuz she got blew up in a fucking car. Yeah, Kay was just the backup bitch.
Nathaniel Phillips
>He slapped around a Corleone in public - that alone is enough to get you kil
What they should have done was just disassociate Fredo from the Corleones, just marry him off to one of the Jewish mafia's daughters, one with a reputation just as bad as Fredo's.
>Moe Greene is stealing from the Casino,
If he's like Bugsy then he's just unlucky, not actually stealing.
I don't know why they sold their olive oil business, people need to eat to live but they don't actually NEED gambling, if there had been another Great Depression or Spanish Influenza they would have been fucked.
In the Asian Business circles now, Macau is fucked because they rely on gambling, Lee Ka Sing is rolling in it because he got big on Supermarkets and he never switched them out for easier (riskier) money.
James Lopez
>Cuz she got blew up in a fucking car. Yeah, Kay was just the backup bitch.
She was no good for even that, surely there are single italian ladies? Widows even, one who would marry Michael for support for her existing kids and be willing to let him raise the joint ones in the business.
Plus, the Undertaker's daughter, it sounded like her looks are ruined, she was beaten so badly her jaw had to be wired and she couldn't even cry, but Michael got his face smashed in earlier too, bet there are surgeries that could improve it some what, and her reproductive system is probably fine.
Aaron Nguyen
>If he's like Bugsy then he's just unlucky, not actually stealing.
You should keep the real world people out of the film's canon. This is an alternate history where the timelines diverge like around the 20's. These figures that they're based on never existed and the alternates in the film do. So there was no Bugsy Segal, only Moe Greene. And in the film Greene really did build Las Vegas, where in reality Segal's role is overblown.
Joseph Miller
Oh, reminder: the girls in the party scene was actually disappointed that there wasn't going to be a party
Joseph Carter
I don't get this meme. The mafia WAS the one who started bringing in heroin. The money was too good to pass up. Why does the mob pretend they were so above narcotics when literally every fucking capo dealed?
Charles Gomez
>people need to eat to live but they don't actually NEED gambling
Vices always pick up when there is an economic downturn. Lots of people would rather gamble and drink than eat fancy food during a depression.
Brody Sanders
>Plus, the Undertaker's daughter, it sounded like her looks are ruined,
We never see her, and that's probably for the best. It's most likely not THAT bad. I am imagining months of swollen face and damage but a lot of that heals through time. The father was just being protective of his daughter.
So the context is that Fredo is in pure hedonistic bliss in Las Vegas. Those girls weren't whores per se, but they're the kind of party sluts that rich guys have around. Fredo was a nerdy loser, and suddenly he's the king of Vegas banging bitches left and right. That's why he liked it so much.
Jeremiah Cruz
In the film the bosses did not want severe their ties with the judges.
Juan Williams
I'm watching Michael Fraczese on youtube and according to him thsi part is true. The mob wanted out of drugs because they brought in too much heat and the sentences were too long. of course the mob heads were playing a losing game since the money is too tempting.
Charles Barnes
Yes
The history of america is literally the history of Catholics degrading a society Protestants built
There's a reason the KKK hated them along with Jews and Niggers