I'm watching the Sopranos right now and I just got to this episode and I'm seriously considering just quitting now and not even watching the last three episodes. What the fuck was the point of watching 6 fucking seasons of "character development" if they're just gonna shit all over it? Tony learned nothing from his experience with the shooting, he's back to what he was in the early seasons, Chris's entire arc was flushed down the toilet for cheap shock value, fucking AJ keeps getting screentime even though he sucks. What the fuck am I supposed to be watching anymore? What the fuck is the point? The only character I enjoy watching now is Sil and he's barely in the show now. Every other character has gotten so shitty that I am left in a bad mood after every episode. And now that they did this to Crissy I have literally no reason to watch this garbage anymore. Tony is so fucking infuriating to watch and I'm sick of Paulie. Fuck David Chase, fuck this show.
Fuck this show
Go take a midol.
take it easy.
the whole cristopher arc come to a whole a that point. it was shocking i give you that, but also coherent and foreshadowed.
you'll understand tony's later on. don't give up now.
i think moltisanti is the best tragic character ever put on a show.
That was literally Christopher's arc though. His killing is the end result of his and Tony's stories throughout the entire show. It's the most despicable thing Tony does, he's truly irredeemable past that point. Which is why it happens in the final season.
It falls under the “it was groundbreaking so that means it’s good forever” category even though it’s aged like shit
Christopher's arc is choosing loyalty to Tony over Adriana and then being snuffed out by him anyway
>the whole cristopher arc come to a whole a that point
There was no arc. He was a degenerate druggie and then he actually got better (which was the best part of the show, his struggle to better himself) and then they decide to make him a degenerate druggie again for two episodes and then kill him. I don't care that Tony killed Chris, I care that they shit all over the development he made beforehand.
>you'll understand tony's later on
I understand Tony's, he's scum of the Earth. I got that SIX FUCKING SEASONS AGO so why did I waste my time with this shit? I never liked Tony, but I liked a lot of the side characters until one by one they died or were ruined.
>don't give up now
Watching this show just pisses me off now. There is no reason for me to continue watching anymore.
No, that was Tony's arc. Christopher's arc was done, and then they undid it in the span of two or three episodes so that Tony could kill him.
That's not an arc, that's just the plot. The arc is his character development and the way he changed as a person.
>“it was groundbreaking so that means it’s good forever”
explain this pls.
The crux of the Sopranos is Tony's inability to change his behavior because of his line of work, habituation to the lifestyle and general acceptance of normalizing immoral behavior by idolizing his father and Uncle. Why do you expect him to go through some redemption arc. He has his come to Jesus moment in 6a, but he's not strong willed enough to really make long term change because it would mean really taking a deep introspective look at himself in the mirror and leaving everything that comes with the mob lifestyle.
tony was the only likable character in the show. you shoulda dropped it long ago
>Why do you expect him to go through some redemption arc
I don't. I literally never said that I expected him to. I get that he's a bad person who can't change. That's just not a compelling narrative anymore after six seasons. It got grating in season 4 watching him to the same shit over and over. I just don't give a shit about him and now that Chris is gone I have no interest in the rest of the show. Fuck Tony.
>Tony learned nothing from his experience with the shooting, he's back to what he was in the early seasons,
Exactly
>muh likable characters
Jesus Christ. I'm glad you got filtered so hard that you could only quit at the very end in such an autistic rage.
>There was no arc. He was a degenerate druggie and then he actually got better (which was the best part of the show, his struggle to better himself) and then they decide to make him a degenerate druggie again for two episodes and then kill him. I don't care that Tony killed Chris, I care that they shit all over the development he made beforehand.
but you see his daily struggle whit himself and the society around him. he was just a guy trying to thrive in the world he knows and his condition condemned him for the rest of his life.
>That's just not a compelling narrative anymore after six seasons
Believe it or not, middle age mobsters don't change very much except for the worse. And as you'll find out if you choose to continue, his therapy sessions likely only enabled him to further normalize his destructive behavior over the course of the show. Tony has growth over the show. He's become a worse person since season 1 and the tragedy is that he had moments over the course of its run where he tried to turn a new leaf just to slip back in to old habits.
FOR THE FIFTIETH FUCKING TIME I GET IT HE'S A PIECE OF SHIT WHO NEVER CHANGES. That's not interesting to me after dozens of hours.
Please learn to read. Chris was unlikable, but it was enjoyable to watch. That's what television should be: enjoyable to watch. Watching Tony go around being a degenerate is boring and obnoxious because I've seen it a million times.
>middle age mobsters don't change very much except for the worse
Just because it's realistic doesn't make it good television.
>Just because it's realistic doesn't make it good television.
I'm sorry man, I can't help you. Everything you want out of this show is contrary to what it set out to unfold to you from the beginning of its run.
not that fag but i want to ask you something: did you enjoy the series so far?
op, calm down, just take a deep breath.
kek
>never pass a drug test
It seems like it set out to bait me into watching 6 seasons hoping for something worthwhile to happen eventually and then destroying every part of it I actually enjoyed. Maybe that's "art" but I fucking hate it.
I didn't like the very early stuff, but then I started to enjoy it more and then it got really annoying for a while but started to get better again and then just jumped off a cliff in the last few episodes. Every enjoyable part of the show is gone except Sil, and I'm pretty sure he's not gonna carry it all himself.
One thing that actually does bother me about this is the show ignoring Christopher's death after Kennedy and Heidi. The next three episodes just drag on and the subject never really comes up again outside of the spooky orange cat and some mumbled dialogue. It's like Christopher was collectively scrubbed from everyone's memory.
>That's not interesting to me after dozens of hours.
well to the rest of us in here it is captivating. I will agree though it was fucked up. Moltisanti was becoming my favorite character on the show
absolutely based. I just finished this episode today and thought the exact same thing.
I think the point of the show is that no one really has an arc. All the major characters are basically the same people throughout the show. They try to change but never do. AJ was probably the one character who really evolved
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>the point of the show is that no one really has an arc
I get it, that's a fucking shit concept for a TV show that runs 6 seasons. It's just monotonous.
i think sil was one of the most likeable characters and at the same time flat and one dimesional due of his lack of development.
that being said, i think your frustration comes from the point that you forced yourself to watching something you don't like.
That's a problem with "prestige" television in general. The producers think that having twelve unlikable characters backstabbing and yelling at each other is a substitute for telling an interesting or compelling story. They're just soap operas for misanthropes.
bitch bitch bitch that's all you do. why don't you go make your own Sopranos if your so fucking great
>you forced yourself to watching something you don't like
I did like it, but all the parts I liked are gone now.
>No one can criticize any TV show ever cause they can't make their own TV show
Fuck you.
What are your top 3 favorite dramas. No judgements, just genuinely curious.
>can't make his own tv show
maybe just try writing then? like, your ideal Sopranos fanfic? :)
i feel you OP. i watched the episode when it was aired and felt frustrated like you are right now.
it became worst in the finale though. but i still think after almost 20 years that is the best show i've ever watched.
TV dramas? I don't watch a lot of television shows. I liked The Prisoner, I like Star Trek (TOS, TNG, and DS9), and I enjoyed the first season of Succession but haven't gotten around to watching the newer stuff. I liked The Shield too.
That is literally the plot point of that movie matthew drinkwater was in, 'A Bronx's tale'.
You die and nobody cares, that's just business.
Christopher gave his soul to a man and a business that has no love or loyalty, and when he paid the price the world moved on.
Chances are that's gonna be your death as well.